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Trump got about the same number of votes in 2024 as he did when he lost back in 2020, whereas Harris got fewer votes than Biden did, so strictly speaking we are getting exactly what all too many of us didn't vote for.
If you didn't vote you voted for this.
A great Canadian philosopher once observed:
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
I will choose the path that's clear.
Accurate.
Maybe keeping in a geriatric neoliberal long enough to skip a primary and force a candidate no one voted for down our throats wasn't the best choice. Obviously Trump is worse than Harris but if the goal was to drive turnout then the Dems behavior pre-election is about the worst possible strategy I could think of.
BoTh SiDeS tho
That's absolutely not true. Trump got 74 million votes in 2020 and 77 million votes in 2024. If he got the 2020 numbers he would have lost the popular vote
You're correct. I'm sorry, I had my numbers screwed up in my head.
These are the numbers from Wikipedia. It still fucks me up that Trump increased his vote margins, even to the point of winning the popular vote. It's probably going to haunt me to my grave and be a thing that I deeply wish wasn't true, but there it is.
What I ought to have said was that comparing 2024 to 2016, it's not that Democratic support fell off precipitously, but rather that a lot of people showed up in 2020 to vote for Biden, and then a lot of them stayed home in 2024.
Trump gained some, and that fucking sucks, but apathy and disengagement is a big factor in what got him back in the White House.
Not really, since modeling increasing the turnout actually still gives a Trump win
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/behind-trumps-2024-victory-a-more-racially-and-ethnically-diverse-voter-coalition/
True. Don’t forget longstanding disenfranchisement, gerrymandering, and voter intimidation. It’s also true democrats ‘vote for us, we’re not republicans’ is the laziest campaign slogan and the most their billionaire mega donors will allow. But republican wannabe facists have been stacking the deck for a long time with no repercussions. No surprise it also led us here.
Also Trump has a cult of personality which due to its nature is able to more or less grow continuously. It's growth between 2020 and 2024 can be easily explained by folks who were kids during his first term and are surrounded by kin and kith who are also in the personality cult.
Someone who was 10 in 2016 was 14 in 2020 and were 18 in 2024.