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[–] bestagon@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also Hillary was a famously unpopular candidate and still won the popular vote, and there were maaaany confounding factors to a weak democratic race in 2024 apart from Kamala’s gender

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

She was at one point one of the most popular politicians in America, actually. She polled among the general population alongside Bernie Sanders. People decided she was awful once she started running for president and Social Media campaigns told everyone what to think about her.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

at one point

Too bad that point wasn't during her campaign.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago

My point being that no matter who we run there will be vicious smear campaigns attacking their character.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Actually Bernie Sanders was outperforming Hillary Clinton in head-to-head matchups against Trump poll after poll.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Umm actually, that didn't argue counter to anything that I said.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

She polled among the general population alongside Bernie Sanders.

If Sanders outperforms Hillary with the general population against their competitor, then they are not "alongside" — Sanders is, in fact, ahead.

Word definitions matter!

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Got it so if you had a list of the top 5 candidates and Bernie were in the list then you would get really upset that somebody claimed he was top 5 and not top 1 or 2?

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Buddy, I was just adding context and it seems you took it personally or something. Yous aid alongside and I clarified that Sanders was performing better. Just facts. That's all.