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My half-year-old alt AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com got banned a few hours ago. There's been an adminwave over the past hours banning pro-socialist viewpoints, locking posts, etc.

Just wondering: how long will it be until they flip the switch from "tankies are genocide supporters!" to "of course I knew there was nothing going on" as it happened with the WMD accusations against Iraq? How long until the Uyghur "repression" gets treated the way Nayirah's testimony is treated now (i.e. just forgotten from western discourse)?

It's exhausting trying to reason with libs, even bringing evidence such as the re-education camps closing by 2022 by western-media accounts, sharing news segments essentially saying "yeah, the camps are closed, but at what cost?", and getting banned because thought-termination is encouraged when the word "genocide" pops up? Haven't they learnt anything from the actual genocide in Palestine?

The same people who enact and celebrate these bans will cry rivers of tears at the moderation policy in Hexbear with topics such as transphobia, while themselves suppressing anything outside their western-manufactured Overton windows.

This is just a rant, but it's honestly depressing and exhausting trying to argue in good faith (I believe there needs to be an informed socialist presence in broader Lemmy and not just in Hexbear) and receiving either "ruzzian orc" accusations or outright bans. I just want you to have healthcare and to stop murdering brown children, for fuck's sake

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[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What is this CIA stance? Is there a link?

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

When I say CIA stance I don't mean an officially stated CIA policy, I refer to the manufactured news and "evidence" for a genocide in Xinjiang against the Uyghur which comes from western, primarily USian institutions. I'll detail some of the core aspects:

-Framing an admittedly severe counter-terrorism campaign that included compulsory re-education (mostly through vocational training for the newer economy given the massive economic investments in Xinjiang) as if it were a series of concentration/forced labor camps, without any evidence. Compulsory reeducation may seem extremely harsh by western standards, but in China most teenagers spend Monday to Saturday at boarding schools where they study for 10+h a day, so the perspective is different there (Jabiertzo has a good video talking about this, in Spanish though).

-Likely fabrication of evidence through the usage of "anonymous interviews" such as the ones used for the prominent Amnesty International report on the Uyghur

CW: mentions to sexual violenceClaims of mass removed in these informs have been used as atrocity propaganda, as well as claims of forced sterilization of women (when in reality Uyghur were exempted from the single-child policy due to being an ethnic minority). None of this "evidence" is supported by any credible journalistic work, only through anonymous interviews. Smells like weapons of mass destruction or like Nayirah's testimony all over again, where denying fabricated atrocity propaganda would get you labeled crazy and inhumane.

-Thought-terminating "genocide denial" cliché whenever someone questions why you can open up your phone and see videos of today of Palestinian children being murdered, but the supposed "genocide of millions" in Xinjiang which has been ongoing for 6+ years at this point counts with not a shred of photographic or video evidence. Fuck, you can find explicit photographic evidence of violence during the Tiananmen Square protests if you Google it, and that's a rather censored topic in China which, at the time it happened, took place when people weren't carrying a smartphone with camera in their pockets, but instead had to carry analog cameras and develop the film without the authorities noticing (or smuggle it out). It's simply not credible that something of this magnitude is happening without any photographic evidence in a country of 1.5bn people where literally everyone carries a smartphone with internet connection and VPN usage isn't persecuted.

-Most OG claims can be traced back to either Radio Free Asia (literal CIA propaganda mouthpiece against socialism in Asia) or to Adrian Zenz, a radical christofascist co-founder of the "Victims of Communism Memorial Association". This supposed "expert sinologist" (that's how media credit him) cannot speak Chinese and has admitted never having set foot in China.

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You specifically challenged the CIA for what then? So you can rationalize "compulsory reeducation"?

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I specifically challenged rhe CIA because, if you read my comment, I mention Radio Free Asia. I dont have to rationalise "compulsory reeducation", I'm not a CPC politician, I can just explain why I'm against western-manufactured sinophobic atrocity propaganda.

If you have any disagreements with any of my previous point, you can be specific. Were you expecting an official CIA sheet explaining the talking points and what they need to make up in order to paint China as bad?