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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, I def get what you’re saying. I do. But do you really have anti-genocide Americans saying something about “Americans should lead this movement?” Because that’s an insane take I can’t imagine you’ve really run into in the wild.

The US is the worst perpetrator of colonialist violence, no doubt.

“I wasn’t personally the one who bombed you” is not an excuse for Israelis so it’s not one for Americans either. You guys fucked half the world and now you want to move on and leave it in the past so you don’t have to take collective responsibility.

What if I flipped this and said this is the exact rationale Israel is using against the population of Palestine? The population who’s been too young to have anything to do with anything Hamas has done, but they’re getting punished for it?

My point isn’t that the US has no blame. I don’t think you can actually find a US leftist who believes that. And if any US leftist is throwing blame all over the world without recognizing the history of the US? I mean, they’re beyond stupid.

My point is…why subdivide us further? The left is being repressed all over the world while fascism takes root once again. And your biggest gripe is…people who were born into a place? We should not be finding ways to take the high road over each other. Because there is a global rise of fascism while an active genocide takes place. And you’re here—if I can borrow a phrase—moralizing. To a T. You are claiming your biggest problem is with other people who agree with you, but who aren’t as pure of heart as you? You’re the real anti genocide crusader because ____?

Why. Why are we constantly using our morals and ideologies as cudgels against other people who would agree with us if we weren’t actively trying to find differences between us? We, the global working class should not be doing the work of the ruling class. And finding reasons to hate and belittle other working class people for generalized reasons beyond their control is very much doing the work for them.

So please stop. We have the most powerful tool of communication and global community at our fingertips and we’re using it to further divisions among the working class. When we could so easily harness it and mobilize a general strike that would cripple the ruling class in a matter of days. But this kind of moralizing you’re doing that is so common online (because corporations made social media and gave us an avenue to wear our ideas like patches, crippling three entire generations because we can’t see past that way of thinking) is the only thing stopping us.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The left and the American left is a whole different animal. The European and Canadian left is reasonable. The American left this past election went insane and has no business telling anyone what to do. I have never had racism and bigotry thrown at me by the left until this past year. The American left has become the world police and instead of fixing the dumpster fire in their country instead want to fix everyone else

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Are you conflating the Democratic Party with the “American left?” That would be exactly where your problem lies.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world -1 points 37 minutes ago (2 children)

Nope, it’s the anti democrat left in the US that has become ugly, toxic and racist just like the right. Opposite side of the same coin and it’s no surprise, considering you all spawned in the same murderous empire

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 1 points 14 minutes ago

lol what?

I will say there is a problem worldwide, thanks to the level of discourse on social media, with people having much more shallow understanding and much more “punchy” takes without any shred of nuance (like your take). That’s not an “American left” problem. The death of nuance has eroded the entire level of discourse regardless of ideology. Worldwide. It’s why a take such as yours is even debated and not thrown right away as a trash, shallow, meaningless take.

You can ignore 95% of what I said and refuse to engage on any of those points while continuing to repeat a weak, nuance-free take with zero basis in anything anyone else can agree is happening outside of someone misunderstanding

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 0 points 34 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 0 points 29 minutes ago

You can’t see how fucked up your shithole of a country is from within, im outside looking at the dumpster fire. All I see is your shithole empire burning, and even then you have to moralize and police the world and look down on everyone, instead of fixing your god damn country. You are at fault for trump and the instability he’s causing all of us

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The American left this past election went insane

Oh Jesus, yes.

Sending Obama to black communities to call impoverished young men misogynistic and sending Bill Clinton up north to lecture angry Palestinian Americans was astonishing in the most tone-deaf and infuriating way.