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Add Putin in the mix and you have the 4 Geriatrics of the Apocalypse.
And none of them atheist. Religion is a cancer.
Does Netenyahu represent Judaism? Trump stands for Christianity? Khomini for Islam? Hitler for Atheism?
No, none of them is religious they each abuse an extreme version of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or even Athisim as well. They prey and indoctrinate their audiance with shitty idologies to stay in power through it. In case of Athiesm, China replaced religon with a cult of patrioty through which they could justify their minority genocide and the endless list of CCP oppression.
Hitler was not an Atheist. What the fuck are you talking about?
I thought Hitler was some sort of vegan atheist with a little sprinkle of occult Arayan BS? Christian trappings were for the masses and rank and file?
Personal general impression, no source.
He wasn't a member of a major religious group, but he was definitely not an atheist. There has been a tremendous effort to sanitize Hitler's image, and that of the Nazi's in general, into something less problematic for the images of a great many groups/organizations they were associated with (look up the 'clean wehrmacht' myth if you want to see how this works). Since showing Hitler was a staunch supporter of your opponent's viewpoint would be an instant victory in basically any discussion, and revulsion of atheists is one of those rare things religions can generally all agree about, the two get lumped together not infrequently.
It's... unpleasant, to say the least.
I'm one of the dirty baby eating atheists, fwiw. Raised in christian fundamentalism. (Technically, I'm an agnostic Atheist.)
Read the article that answersplease posted below. According to that he was some sort of pantheist.
Ultimately, I think these guys are functional agnostics no matter what they claimed or even belive. The drive required to possess that level of power and manipulate everyone on your side and kill the Other doesn't leave any room except for worship of self. I guess they're amoral, but I'm not sure if labels like narcissist or sociopath always apply. You don't have to be one of those to do great evil, just incredibly selfish and greedy. Chump may be an exception here, he's obviously a fragile narcissist chasing daddy's love.
For most of them, religion is just another tool to get what they want. They'll change their beliefs to suit their desires. Musk is a good example, going from a darling of the left to the right. He was always a reptile in a skin suit, and for a while he made LGBTQ and environmental noises because that got him what he wanted.
I'll look into Clean Wermarcht when i have time to fall into a rabbit hole. My question above was a genuine statement of what I knew of the subject. It's interesting even though the entire thing is enraging.
He was:
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/hitlers-religion-was-hitler-an-atheist-christian-or-something-else
Regardless even if he was a "christian", he was preaching an extreme idology that did not belong to any religon.
You say he was, and then post an article that concludes
and then talks about how he constantly talked about god as this or god as that. Pantheism is not Atheism and the constant babbling of what god does or wants as if it was fact he exists certainly isn't either.
Then there's "Mein Kampf" where Hitler himself talks about continuing "the work of the Lord".
This senctence is in basically every german history schoolbook.
A speech of him from 1927:
And a speech from 1939:
"Der liebe Gott" is a german christian notion I cannot find a good translation for.
Spoken like a real Atheist, eh?
Hitler constantly talks about God, what he thinks he wants him to do or what would serve his (Gods) purpose. Hitler. Was. Not. An. Atheist.
Every attempt to make him a "not christian" comes down to "no true scotsman", as you skillfully demonstrate:
This is literally every argument Christians make in defense of their hateful ideology.
They really should change the name of the fallacy to "no true Christian"
Good writeup man, but it's still subjective because you may have proved what he showed, but not really what he stood for and believed inside. He lied about talking to god to comit horrible crimes then took his own life when felt surrounded. Every action there really concludes that he really believed that there is no god aka an atheist. Btw similarly I can prove to you that David Miscavige really believes in that Scientology spaceship coming at the end of times. I can quote him and show that all ot David Miscavige 100% belives in the narrative of scientoligy, while both of us we know this criminal scum indocrinated his followers with evil ideas for his benefit and that he actually inside does not belive in that scientology stuff.... but thatwill remain subjective still. That's why I know and think Hitler was an Atheist. it doesnt mean atheism is bad or that we should demonize atheists.
A thing no one can do.
Opinion with no base. One could say >subjective
Thats both, opinion with no base and bullshit. Christians (or believers of any religion) do and have done horrible things. Being a christian / theist does not stop you from being a bad person. You want to tell me that Hitler was no true scotsman?
And thats all you can do, because you, just like me, can not tell what people think or believe.
I don't. And I think it's arrogant to pretend to know what someone believes when he states other.
Not a thing a believer couldn't do. Actually a thing believers quite often do.
Agree.
You don't know, you just think. And for what we have left on the table to examine, you're wrong.
Yet, believers commonly use the lie of "Hitler beeing atheist" as an example for atheists beeing bad people.
In conclusion, once again, a pretty wordy "no true scotsman"
Well, I can explain more of what I said again, but no I'm not wrong. If I'm wrong, then it's subjective and you're wrong. Okay so, let me explain more to you what his true belief was, which was there was no god aka an athiest: Lets go over what I said again. 1- He lied about talking to god: If that was not true, then you're claiming that hitler was shizophrinic, which is a claim I never heard before. No... lets face it without reasonable doubt, Hitler and the likes of him lie about god's message to them...etc to exploit a cult into evil idologies. Okay, that alone really shows what he really believes inside.
2- Changed religon and exploited people's faith for evil: If your belief was objectively deviant, then you either shock yourself and follow it against your own morality, or leave it seeking the truth. In hitler's case, he was the one changing scripture for his own evil gains. It does not make sense otherwise.. what are you trying to say? That hitler was someone good from the inside but he sincerely misguided himself against his own moral compass and preached evil against his own desires? and that h just became crazy evil because he had no choice but to believe the scriptures and teachings which he created then preached himself...?!
3- He comitted suicide when surrounded: He was the one doing god's message and god's work and had nothing to fear as god was on his side until the moment he dies. He was the chosen one for god's work... Where did his faith go? Go watch the interviews of people of faith. They interview Palestinian and Yemeni leaders telling them that Israel has announced their assassination unless they stop or surrender, ... they smile saying " I now have little time so I have to work harder to earn my myrtedom and meet god! I cant wait to receive this honor after all these years of work at this age. This is the message I believed and fought for until the day I die."
Hitler had no faith and knew to get away from facing consequences by dying and facing nothing afterward.. which is really somethimg only an atheist can do.
Ok bye bus arrived!
Give me quotes. I don't accept you just making shit up. Without proof, I don't care for more of the same scotsman.
did you read 1,2,3 ? how is that not as good of a proof that he was a god-denying athiest as your claim that he was misguided christian?
Bro, I'm not changing subject by asking you this, but do you really believe David Miscavige believes there is an alien who visited earth 40k years ago and they're waiting for him to save the world as the narrative of scientology says?
OOOOOOR, that the leader of of an indoctrinating/brainwashing cult with extreme views, whom he happened to be the only one to stand to directly benifit from spreading these idologies that also happened by chance to exploit his followers toward his favor, and give him unchecked power, wealth, connections, and everything.... yeah... you think mega-cult leaders also believe they're good christians who sincerly sperding god's word but it just happened that god's word was to tell his followers to buy him a private jet, but really on the inside, he belives all of he is preaching?
Well, I don't accept you trying to give me the same bullshit that a CERTIFIED PSYCHOPATH is selling his exploited followers. WITHOUT PROOF, I don't care for more of this bullshit scotsman. Criminal conciousless psychopaths "Christian preachers" with $600millions in their account who fuck kids and pay off anyone who tries to stand in their way ..., or WORSE IN HITLER'S CASE, someone who killed 6 millions people, ARE BAD PEOPLE with too-much-high conflict of intrest for me to believe anything they say especially if they USE IT TO JUSTIFY their atrocities and DIRECTLY BENIFIT from it. YEAH, I belive that alone is a huge indicator that man does not belive in a god and selling you bullshit.
Another qouestion before I end this, do you believe tha Trump believes that he cares and looks after his MAGA cult? by unequeviliantly gritfting billions of dollars off them in proven, predesigned, intentional scams in rugbulled crypto and fake merch and how he exploit their support to pass bills that benifit him and his group but hurt the same MAGA people he is selling his messages to? Well... good for you if belive Trump as well.
Go on and on, the examples are endless. Hitler was an athiest, and I don't accept his shit claim being a christian delivering god's message because it's stupid. Is what i'm saying subjective? Yes I already told you, and so is your bullshit stupid claim that hitler was not an athiest.
Yes, I did, and they are the same stuff I already adressed, so there is no need to do it again.
You clearly don't understand what proof is. All you do is point to something, then in a wordy way, say "a christian would not do that." That is not proof. That is pretending to know what approximately 2.38 billion people in the world would do - not to mention the dead ones. It's absolutely stunning that you are not capable of understanding that.
Once again: I can't read minds, and neither can you. And unless he says otherwise, we have to take his word for this. Is it a weird tale? Sure! Is it any more weird than christian tales? Absolutely not! So, by your logic, just because I cannot understand that a person actually believes all that god bogus, should I now consider each and every religious person to be lying? Every pope? Every priest? Every nun? Everyone of my neighbours? All liars and actually atheists? Tell me.
I gave you the proof. Or you could get yourself a copy of "Mein Kampf" and find the proof I pointed to first hand.
Not my fault that's the only tool in your box.
Except, I have proof to point to. You only have denial and self delusion.
No, but they do all use their respective religion as a control tool, and all of them would have (had in khominis case) a harder time pulling off their respective atrocities without it. Organized religion is very easily abused.
The specifics of who gets fucked over in what way might also differ, in israels case it's a geographical thing, but the other two could use any outgroup. Organized religion provides an easy way to find one. Sometimes even half the population (women).
Yeah they all use the religion of the state to inflict violence and control. The difference is merely in branding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
Fucking what?
What is this bullshit? Is this the narrative now? Hitler did what he did because of "extreme atheism"?
Absolutely ahistorical fucking horse shit
read the comment above. it's still subjective,(because you're arguing about what a person might have believed from the inside), but it explains what seemed to be hitler's real religious views. It was an extreme version of panthism.
These cult leaders come up with extreme evil idologies under the name of any religon and it even happens in the name of Atheism, or anti-religon itself. China committed multiple genocides against religious minorities like the Falun Gong and Ugyher Muslims in the name of anti-religion and cult of national patrioty.
So in conclusion, evil extreme idologies can come from and in the name of good religon of faith, or can even come from good lack-of-faith, and that's why you should not blame neither demonize nor bomb people just because of their general faith of religon or atheism.
fuckin lol
woah easy man. your spelling antisemitism is showing.
I wrote jewish then forgot to change it to judaism, which i wrote correctly in the first paragraph. cool?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns
Even without religion, megalomaniacs will always have a justification for their genocide.
Yes every fascist worships are the altar of the state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
Libs are moving onto their next imperial attack. Gotta do hella victim blaming first.
I think you meant conservatives.