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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It doesn’t take advantage of economies of scale very well.

You missed my point; I was talking about being entirely off-grid there. So unless the homeowner in question also has a large industrial building with a flat roof, we're back to where I said that they didn't have enough generative capacity to not be reliant on a power grid, at least in part.

If what you want is energy independence from your local power utility,

No, I want energy independence period. Not just from the local utility, I want independence from a co-op as well. I want to have my own well so I'm not relying on someone else to deliver water. I want enough arable land to grow most, or all, of my own food. This isn't compatible with living in a city. (And part of the reason I want to generate my own power is so that I can use all electric vehicles.)

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You missed my point. What you assumed the article said was completely off base.

No, I want energy independence period. Not just from the local utility, I want independence from a co-op as well.

Then what you're asking for is a more fractured human society. This kind of independence from others is an illusion and is not compatible with how humans have evolved.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Then what you’re asking for is a more fractured human society.

No, I'm saying I want energy independence. I don't want to be dependent on the vagaries of service providers, or politicians that decide one day that renewables are great, and then the next day fuck it all drill baby drill, or a utility--or government--that refuses to invest the necessary capital into infrastructure to maintain capability. I'll pay my taxes so that shit can get done IF that ends up being the will of the people, but I don't see the point of being dependent on a system that I both need and have no control over.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Drive to get groceries? You're dependent on most of those same factors.

Water? Same. Even if you have a well, you still don't want that well to be polluted by people around you.

Shelter? You presumably don't want a neighbor's rickety structure to fall over on yours during a storm.

This kind of independence is a farce.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 15 hours ago

Drive to get groceries? You’re dependent on most of those same factors.

I said I wanted enough arable land to grow my own.

Water? Same. Even if you have a well, you still don’t want that well to be polluted by people around you.

See above.

Shelter? You presumably don’t want a neighbor’s rickety structure to fall over on yours during a storm.

See above. I don't intend to have neighbors within a mile.