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[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The original article literally frames it as an economic problem under capitalism. Most of the article is about value deflation, not about the niche case of storing excess energy until it is profitable to sell again.

Lower prices may sound great for consumers. But it presents troubling implications for the world’s hopes of rapidly expanding solar capacity and meeting climate goals. It could become difficult to convince developers and investors to continue building ever more solar plants if they stand to make less money or even lose it https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/07/14/1028461/solar-value-deflation-california-climate-change/

Maybe take a break from the capitalist apologia to understand that this shouldn't be a problem for a society that is trying to move away from cooking the planet.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 1 points 3 days ago

Op is a tweet, not an article.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

"Instead of trying to solve the problem we currently have, with the systems and tools that are there, how about we forget about the problem and work on something much much harder instead".

Don't get me wrong you're absolutely free and welcome to advocate for systemic solutions. But don't attack people working on alleviating symptoms in a practical way or I'll call you an accelerationist. "Here's how we implement socialism! Step one: Burn the planet".

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you think the problem is being solved in the current system I will leave you to your delusions.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Go ahead, enlighten us. What is that magical praxis that will turn the world socialist before the Netherlands sink into the ocean?

Capitalism sucks, yes, but you can count on the self-interest of capital. Furnish regulation such that the thing we want them to do has the best ROI, they're going to do it. Hard to implement? Well then guess what's even harder to implement.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The RoI of renewables is already heavily subsidized by the government, and it is still unable to compete with that of fossil fuels. Carbon offsets/credits, a market solution, are very often useless. And that's when solutions are even passed against all the lobbying. There is no market solution out of this. The sooner social democrats realize this, the better.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago
  1. I'm not a socdem and
  2. That's highly selective quoting.

I'll leave this chart here. That's the raw economics of renewables vs. fossil/nuclear that we're currently dealing with and it's very good news: Renewables are cheaper. As to the reliability of numbers: Costs for fossil and nuclear don't properly factor in externalities, but even with that, renewables are cheaper.

Also you still didn't enlighten us about how to achieve socialism before the world burns. Making sure that electricity networks are up to snuff so that the graph above applies not just to energy production, but the overall system? Trivial, in comparison.