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Keep in mind that on average over the last century, nonviolent resistance is more likely to succeed than violent resistance (East Timor, People's Power Revolution in the Philippines, etc.). It's all a numbers game- the more people actively supporting resistance, the more likely the resistance is to succeed, and you'll have far more sign-ups when you prioritize nonviolent methods.
(Can't exactly say that I condemn this, but I'll take democracy over revenge/"justice" any day of the week)
The destruction of property while sparing lives is a form on non-violent resistance.
That's a solid point. I'm being a bit unfair here
America does not recognize peaceful protest. They are calling them terrorists. Act accordingly.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
This is something that I have thought about. While I am ignorant to the examples you gave, I was wondering, were there violent resistances happening at the same time? Like the civil rights movement in the US you had a more peaceful movement along side a more violent one, in a similar manner to ghandi, while he was preaching peaceful resistance, there were more violent groups at the same time. I know it's easy to come across as being a dick in forums like this, but I'm genuinely asking.
Most successful instances of revolution included a threat, or use, of violence. IE: Blank Panthers in the US, IRA in Ireland, the citizens of Italy, etc...
Anyone who thinks non-violent revolution is possible is ignorant to the majority of human history. Is it possible? Sure, probably. Is it likely? No, far from it.
From "Why Civil Resistance Works" by Erica Chenoweth.
Nuance - yes, no campaign is completely violent or nonviolent. However, the effect of a radical violent flank on the success of a nonviolent core group is overstated and depends on a variety of factors (i.e., contrast Black Panthers with Weather Underground).
a radical violent flank is to be expected for any movement. do not waste energy trying to stop it or worrying about if they'll help or hurt your cause, stay on target and build your own organization, fight the enemy not the weirdo
They're disappearing people to El Salvador and you call me the weirdo for understanding that this is ALREADY a violent conflict.
You people aren't ready for what's coming. And frankly, your inability, or downright refusal, to accept where we already are in this coup, means you aren't ready for what's already happening.
I truly hope we all make it out the other side. Good luck.
fight the fucking enemy, not me, you goddamn weirdo
Take your own advice 😀
There's nothing wrong with wanting folks to pursue a variety of tactics. I get annoyed when folks say stuff along the lines of "Well, voting and protesting haven't worked yet, so obviously the most extreme actions are our only option."
Though I wouldn't count this article's action as the "most extreme" and it is arguably still in the realm of nonviolence since nobody was hurt.
I think making sure folks are aware of the options available to them and their potential effectiveness (and blowback risk) is a decent use of 5 minutes of my time, since I was reading this book anyways. Just like you arguing that I shouldn't argue might be a decent use of 5 minutes of your time, since you believe (perhaps correctly) that swift, efficient action is more important than the specific actions involved. Planning is good, plans are useless, and sometimes it really is best to just act.
Specifically in the Philippines, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (yes they had MILF flags) as well as the maoist New People's Army also fought the government before and after the time of the People's Power Revolution.
Thank you. I do love the MILF flags haha. It's what I was thinking of, peaceful protests being given as the alternative to violence, are accepted by the ruling class, maybe as a means to placate.
There are few movements that are completely violent or nonviolent. There isn't really any scholarly consensus on whether a radical violent flank actually helps the "core" nonviolent group, or under which circumstances it helps the group. I recommend reading "Why Civil Resistance Works" by Erica Chenoweth for an overview of the factors that lead to the success (or failure) of resistance as well as more concrete examples.
The numbers speak for themselves - violent resistance can succeed, but nonviolent resistance is more likely to succeed. The key finding from Chenoweth's review of resistance movements between 1900-2006 is that the strongest determining factor in whether a resistance is successful is the percentage of the populace actively involved in resisting. This seems like a "water is wet" finding, but consider the difficulties in recruiting members to violent resistance (training involved, physical ability barriers, moral barriers, informational barriers - hard to advertise for recruits without informing on yourself, etc.) vs nonviolent resistance (almost no training necessary, easy to inform about time/place, fewer physical ability barriers, etc.)
Here's the full passage about flank effects:
Thank you! I believe I read about this, or something in a similar vein a few months ago, and that is what caused me to ask my question. I'd have to do more digging and research on the subject, and I appreciate your response