aquablack

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[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, I don't think you're wrong about an informed/educated populace not being sufficient to overcome fascism, but I have a hard time seeing us overcoming it without some level of education. Though obviously, the type of education matters (e.g., how kids are taught about Columbus is probably the most egregious example of a failure by the public school system to educate)

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I understand where you're coming from, but this may simply be a difference in goals.

If your goal is that people become more computer-literate, then yes, perhaps we should use the GUI less. People who are already Linux users aren't going to have that big of an issue using apt instead of a GUI software manager.

If your goal is that more people use Linux, then you need to have GUI support. If anything else, it eases them in so that they're not drinking from the firehose all at once.

My litmus test would be "could I feasibly teach my grandparents how to use this?" Which I think is true of Linux Mint (yes, you need terminal for good driver management, but it's not like my grandparents do that via Windows GUI)

Also, I'm not really aware of any Linux distros that remove command line utilities - mostly, they just have the same thing in both GUI and commands

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

There's nothing wrong with wanting folks to pursue a variety of tactics. I get annoyed when folks say stuff along the lines of "Well, voting and protesting haven't worked yet, so obviously the most extreme actions are our only option."

Though I wouldn't count this article's action as the "most extreme" and it is arguably still in the realm of nonviolence since nobody was hurt.

I think making sure folks are aware of the options available to them and their potential effectiveness (and blowback risk) is a decent use of 5 minutes of my time, since I was reading this book anyways. Just like you arguing that I shouldn't argue might be a decent use of 5 minutes of your time, since you believe (perhaps correctly) that swift, efficient action is more important than the specific actions involved. Planning is good, plans are useless, and sometimes it really is best to just act.

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Although that's (possibly, partly) true, he (allegedly) was also very selective in his use of violence. If he had mixed up his target and shot some accountant who happened to look a lot like the CEO, he wpuld not have received mass support. If he had firebombed the hotel, he would not have received mass support.

Though I agree that he brought the issue of healthcare to the forefront, so far he has done exactly as much as the protests have done to improve healthcare (e.g., minor improvements - the anesthesia blue cross thing.)

It is not yet sufficient.

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

That's a solid point. I'm being a bit unfair here

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (5 children)

From "Why Civil Resistance Works" by Erica Chenoweth.

Nuance - yes, no campaign is completely violent or nonviolent. However, the effect of a radical violent flank on the success of a nonviolent core group is overstated and depends on a variety of factors (i.e., contrast Black Panthers with Weather Underground).

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are few movements that are completely violent or nonviolent. There isn't really any scholarly consensus on whether a radical violent flank actually helps the "core" nonviolent group, or under which circumstances it helps the group. I recommend reading "Why Civil Resistance Works" by Erica Chenoweth for an overview of the factors that lead to the success (or failure) of resistance as well as more concrete examples.

The numbers speak for themselves - violent resistance can succeed, but nonviolent resistance is more likely to succeed. The key finding from Chenoweth's review of resistance movements between 1900-2006 is that the strongest determining factor in whether a resistance is successful is the percentage of the populace actively involved in resisting. This seems like a "water is wet" finding, but consider the difficulties in recruiting members to violent resistance (training involved, physical ability barriers, moral barriers, informational barriers - hard to advertise for recruits without informing on yourself, etc.) vs nonviolent resistance (almost no training necessary, easy to inform about time/place, fewer physical ability barriers, etc.)

Here's the full passage about flank effects:

The coercive capacity of nonviolent resistance is not based on violent disruption to the social order. Rather, it is based on the removal of the adversary’s key sources of power through sustained acts of protest and noncooperation. Some may argue that nonviolent resistance is powerful only because regimes fear that they will become violent, thereby posing even greater threats. Social movement scholars refer to this dynamic as a “positive radical flank effect.” This concept posits that violence may sometimes increase the leverage of challengers, which occurs when states offer selective rewards and opportunities to moderate competitor groups to isolate or thwart the more radical organizations. In other words, the presence of a radical element in the opposition may make the moderate oppositionists in the nonviolent campaign seem more palatable to the regime, thereby contributing to the success of the nonviolent campaign. In this way, some argue that violent and nonviolent campaigns can be symbiotic, in that the presence of both types improves their relative positions.^18^

But opposition violence is just as likely—if not more likely—to have the opposite result. A “negative radical flank effect,” or spoiler effect, occurs when another party’s violence decreases the leverage of a challenge group. In this case, the presence of an armed challenge group causes the regime’s supporters to unify against the threat without making a distinction between violent and nonviolent challenges, which are lumped together as the same threat deserving the same (violent) response

There is no consensus among social scientists about the conditions under which radical flanks either harm or help a social movement.^19^ In our estimation, however, many successful nonviolent campaigns have succeeded because they systematically eroded or removed entirely the regime’s sources of power, including the support of the economic and military elites, which may have hesitated to support the opposition if they had suspected that the campaign would turn violent. The more a regime’s supporters believe a campaign may become violent, or that their interests will be gutted if the status quo is changed, the more likely that those supporters and potential participants may perceive the conflict to be a zero-sum game (Stephan and Chenoweth 2008, 9–13). As a response, regime supporters are likely to unite to counter the perceived threat, while potential participants may eschew participation for the reasons just identified. A unified adversary is much harder to defeat for any resistance campaign. In conflicts perceived as zerosum, furthermore, it is difficult for erstwhile regime supporters to modify and adapt their ideologies and interests according to shifts in power. Instead, they will fight tooth and nail to keep their grip on power, relying on brutal force if necessary. There is less room for negotiation, compromise, and power sharing when regime members fear that even small losses of power will translate into rolling heads. On the other hand, our central point is that campaigns that divide the adversary from its key pillars of support are in a better position to succeed. Nonviolent campaigns have a strategic advantage in this regard.

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Keep in mind that on average over the last century, nonviolent resistance is more likely to succeed than violent resistance (East Timor, People's Power Revolution in the Philippines, etc.). It's all a numbers game- the more people actively supporting resistance, the more likely the resistance is to succeed, and you'll have far more sign-ups when you prioritize nonviolent methods.

(Can't exactly say that I condemn this, but I'll take democracy over revenge/"justice" any day of the week)

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Oh, that's a good point - and ideally, folks may prioritize shopping locally or at regional chains. "bookshop.org" is good for connecting to your local bookshop, but not every industry has something like that.

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Not mine - here's the link to the artist's tumblr - I just find the animation cool, especially the eyes (may have to open up the image to see it properly)

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Is this for some sort of abridged series? Or just for fun? I've got one of the latter, courtesy tumblr

 

Mine isn't all that fancy, lol.

The focus has been more on the digital realm, which is important, but would something focused on physical purchases be useful? I could see that getting unwieldy as well, so perhaps something like this would be better as a wiki page

[–] aquablack@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Ooo, that's a good point! Could even have a few distros with Gnome to show how it changes on the infographic

 

First! Also, I wanted to continue the discussion over from this thread on the Other Site. Changing your OS is much harder than the other changes, I think, but it would still be good to include.

Linux Mint - My preference, since it's the easiest for a new user to get into. I would feel confident teaching my grandparents how to use it

OpenBSD - This is the most secure, so anyone who is privacy focused would want this one. All linux distros are inherently more secure than windows (open source, don't come packed with adware, etc.), but this is OpenBSD's goal.

Then, you'd probably want a distro that works well on old laptops (why buy a new laptop if a 10-year old laptop can do the job fine?) Linux, in general, is a lot less resource-intensive than Windows anyways, but there are a few distros that are specifically built for old or tiny computers. Alpine Linux might be the smallest, but Lubuntu is probably better for user support. I haven't done much with either of them outside of some VMs here and there, so hopefully someone else has some good experience with "light" distros and can chime in.

It's real easy to get into the weeds on the "best" open source distro, so I'd recommend including one that's user friendly, one that's really secure, and one that's really good at running on old/obsolete hardware.

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