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I just don’t understand why Trump supporters believe Trump. It was clear that his campaign was influenced by Project 2025, and he had several of its authors at his inner circle. But he claimed he didn’t know anything about it and for some reason his supporters believed him.
And now he’s doing exactly what was promised. None of this should be a surprised. The document was openly published by a think tank, his campaign embraced it, and yet his supporters thought it wasn’t going to happen.
Well, you are talking about a group that, as a general rule, is not known for being readers per se. Also, they are not known for consuming even token "liberal" corporate outlets, and those companies barely covered Project 2025 as-is.
Before last fall's election, I remember talking to someone that mostly votes Libertarian but will vote Republican and gets much of their "news" via things like Rogan and I brought up Project 2025.
them: "But isn't Project 2025 just a liberal conspiracy theory? C'mon...."
me: "Uh, it's a published thing. You can easily find it, download it, and READ it. It's no 'liberal conspiracy theory'. And don's VP wrote the forward to a book from the architect of Project 2025, so if donvict is trying to distance himself from it, he sure has a funny way of showing it by picking "JD" "Vance" to be his running mate...."
them: "..."
Did they bother to look into this? I'm sure they did not. And I'd bet anything they voted Libertarian for Presidential level and Republican everywhere else they could not find a Libertarian candidate, therefore, helping the Republicans. They vote in Colorado, so their thrown-away vote for the presidential race does not matter, but....
I don't think they cared more than they didn't trust Kamala. It was mysogony. And racism. And we just keep trying to intellectualize stupidity. They're dumb. They don't think it through.
Except for the billionaire faction. They know exactly what they are doing to keep their money where they want it. With them.
Project 2025 Tracker for anyone interested which shows how much objectives has been implemented from Project 2025 document:
https://www.project2025.observer/
Oh lovely
I really don't get it either. Trump can say something and his supporters will believe him no matter what.
He could tell a supporter their child is a demon, shoot the kid in the face and they would thank him for it.
I have no idea what to do about it.
Liberals do the same shit with their politicians. BlueMAGA has the same capacity for reasoning and insight that MAGA does.
You are not well informed whatsoever. Democrats turn on bad actors in their party in a heartbeat. To their own detriment even. Look where Al Franken is right now.
Go read more.
Al franken was low hanging fruit. The oligarchy will never turn on their own, which includes trump.
Do you know what an Oligarchy is? Follow up question: could you let Bernie, Cortez, and Crockett know? They don't seem to be up to date on this either.
I and the sheepdogs you mentioned know what an oligarchy is. The difference is they only claim other groups are an oligarchy, implying they are not.
I don't think you can really make the argument subjective when the people in power are billionaires and Fox News personalities. What in the world...
The billionaires have always been in power, regardless if its behind the scenes like it's been in the past or in the spotlight like they are now
Spotlight? 16 are in his cabinet and influencing his every move. What are you even talking about?
It was literally fucking Citibank that picked Obama and Biden's cabinets, they've always been the ones pulling the strings. Now they're pulling the strings in the open
Link?
You can do a search for citibank picks Obama's cabinet and choose your source. Do the same for citibank picks biden's cabinet and pick your sources.
Do they? Sure, Bernie supporters love to sniff his farts, but they’re not making him the center of their conspiracy theories and there’s no indication they’d believe him if he said 2+2=5. And no one’s getting this excited over Harris, Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, etc.
We need to stop pretending both sides are basically the same. They’re not. They were in the 90s, when it was Clinton vs. Bush. They were pre-Trump, with people like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. But Trump is in a league of his own, and there is not a liberal equivalent of MAGA right now.
As Republicans keep shifting to the right, Democrats fill the void just left by Republicans. Democrats are BlueMAGA, the only difference is a Republican will tell us what they are gonna do, then do it. Democrats talk about opposition, but end up enabling right wing policy and lock it in place with their ratchet effect.
Only lazy, ignorant people who think they are sounding smart say this.
I was told by liberals that I should stop worrying about Gazan children for more than a year while Biden and Democrats happily gave Israel the money and guns to kill them
Now they tell me Trump is bad for his support of Israel
Democrat voters were the only ones denouncing Israel.
The choice was made clear in all social media and publicly by all Democrat and Republican politicians.
Vote Democrat if you want to support Palestinians and condemn Israel while continuing to allow Israel to buy weapons.
Vote Republican if you want to exterminate all Palestinians. Trump promised in speeches to wipe out all Palestinians.
You might not like either choice but the two sides were not the same.
Wha?
Any time I criticized Biden admin for giving arms to Israel, I was told "he's trying to end it" or "just vote Harris"
I criticized Harris for not making herself meaningfully different from Biden on the genocide issue. People here told me to shut up and stop complaining about it. People here even said I was in a minority for caring so much about Gaza and that it didn't matter that much
As I said, he was trying to end it but without stopping the sale of arms. It's not like Israel even needs any those weapons to starve Palestine.
And when the alternative is Trump who promised to exterminate all Palestinians, yes you should shut up because it made fence sitters not vote for Harris.
So he was trying to end it by not withholding the one thing that gave him leverage over the situation?
Listen to yourself
I already said they didn't need the arms. It wasn't leverage.
So the Biden administration just gave them stuff they didn't need??? For what???
"Hey guys, please stop killing Gazan children. Pretty please? Oh, if you don't stop, I'll have to keep sending you weapons and billions in cash right up to my last week in office. Don't worry, I have an army of idiots on the internet who will defend me even when it makes no sense."
Biden didn't give anything. Israel bought it. Biden only allowed the sale to go through. Congress appropriates funds, not the President.
And again you are only reaffirming my statement.
Democrats: We support Palestine and will try to stop Israel but won't stop weapon sales to do it.
Republicans: We will exterminate all Palestinians.
That's not, "Both sides are the same."
"Biden didn't give anything" is not true. You just said it yourself l: "he allowed sale to go through"
Yes, money is approved by Congress. That's the point. The administration and the Congress, both parties, are bought and paid for by AIPAC.
No other country gets no-strings-attached cash and weapons from the US.
Republicans didn't exterminate Gazan children; a Democratic administration enabled Israel and tried to ban the only social media platform that allowed people to honestly talk about it. Joe Biden and the Democrat leadership have children's blood on their hands
You're actually just lying. Fuck off with this bullshit.
Following Congress is doing his job. Part of Trump's dictatorship is ignoring Congress such as when he fired federal staff whose money was determined by Congress.
Trump promised it. He has continued that promise.
You keep reaffirming what I said.
Democrats: We will support Palestine but won't stop selling weapons.
Republicans: We promise to exterminate Palestine.
Your Maga hat is slipping into view.
Biden and Blinken happily continued supplying the weapons even while State Department personnel expressed concerns. Stop acting like Biden was a good guy. "I am a Zionist" is an actual Biden quote https://www.propublica.org/article/israel-gaza-america-biden-administration-weapons-bombs-state-department
Stop trying to turn this into a Trump v. Biden issue. It isn't. US policy is always appeasing Israel. Biden was just the latest in line.
Again, any attempt to shield Biden from responsibility is a lie. Stop with your partisan Biden defense. You're defending war crimes and genocide 🤡
That’s not the equivalent at all. That’s pro-Zionism, and has been the US party line for decades. Biden even admitted that back in the 1980s.
How on Earth are you equating that to MAGA?
Hi totally off topic but I saw your username. are you a fan of Nobody Likes Onions? Are you following the Nick Rekieta drama with Steel Toe?
I’m not familiar with it.
Ah, well, it's all very dorky but compelling if you're into niche YouTube podcast drama
No you weren’t.
I was, in this very community
Link
Liberals I know are spitting in Schumer's face. When Eric Adams committed a crime, he needed to beg maga to help, not "bLuEmAGa". The blue was bringing him to court no matter what. No one loved Biden no one loves a majority of liberal politicians.
Right now they are spitting in Schumer's face but will quickly forget that in a month or so, and will gladly cast a vote for him when he's up for reelection. And anyone bringing up what he's done will be labeled a bot, trying to get Republicans elected, or whatever the current buzz words are.
They really don't. I am a leftist, not a liberal. But i see liberals constantly denounce and get angry at democrats. Bluemaga is not a thing... Of course there are a couple of liberals that defend biden or whatever. There are idiots in every group whether its politics, anime, music, gaming, whatever.
But it's not a THING like with maga. Maga will die for their fuhrer. They believe everything he says. Trump is their hero and savior.
You're being ridiculous on purpose.
Blue MAGA isn't a thing but "Blue No Matter Who (unless it's Bernie)" is a thing
They may get performative angry, but end up supporting them when it's election time. BlueMAGA is very much a thing.
Oof.
It's pretty simple actually. Do you live in an area where Sinclair controls the local media? It's easy to cast aspersions at these people's intelligence. Pretending like they are somehow working hard to avoid all the evidence and information that we've seen. When the truth of the matter is. They're not avoiding anything. They're simply living in a toxic swamp unaware. Their local broadcast stations telling them how evil Democrats are and how wonderful Trump is. Facts and Truth never really make it to them. And they are denied the ability to be basically informed. Without going against their communities and family. Seeking external information and questioning what everyone else perceives as real.
It's a hell of a trap these cancerous capitalists have managed to erect.
It's a religious cult type of mental illness. Don't bother looking for logic because you won't be able to find it.
We'll only be able to understand it when we're able to explain why adults continue to believe in religion and fairytales, without evidence.
Simple. It's because they are tragically stupid people. Don't overthink it.
"I love the poorly educated."
Some are. Most aren’t.
Liberal elitism is a rallying point for conservatives, and displaying it does not help matters. Not everyone who disagrees with you is dumb. The more accurate thing is that Trump taps into something that encourages even smart people to not think critically.
It’s quite simple.
He offers them a spot in the first group. That’s it. That’s all. They have been raised from birth to believe they deserve it, and they’ve been taught their whole lives that the evil democrats won’t let them have it.
You don’t have to be stupid to believe something like that, just abysmally self-centered.
And he’s actually giving it to them, you’ll notice. The first leader they’ve voted for in a long time that did so unequivocally. They’ll walk through fire for him now.
He's also lazy with no sense of nuance. If there's an easy way to do something, he'll do it. Pardon all Jan 6ers, deport all illegals (or all immigrants), let someone else handle shit, whatever is easiest.