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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why do Hexbear socialists look at everything as all or nothing? It's like any movement towards the left that isn't an actual revolution is unacceptable. Personally I want to have more rights day to day even if it can't go all the way.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because without the threat of revolution you'll never get those rights in the first place and as soon as the threat is removed the rights you have or won will be rolled back at the earliest convenience

Without revolution the capitalist class will call your bluff each time, and if you get mad at them what're you going to do? You already took revolution off the table

As a result Liberal radicalism can best be described as a snake eating it own ass

[–] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Because we want real structural shifts in the distribution of power, not just treats from our ruling class overlords.

Look at things in the context of slavery, as an analogy for the ultimate unequal society.

If a slave owner gives his slaves more comfortable beds, or reduces their working hours, or gives them better food, we can agree that these changes are good for the slaves without praising the slaveowner. And if someone in 1820 or whatever went to an abolitionist protest with a sign that said "Comfier beds for slaves", they would (rightfully) get punched in the face.

Why? Because these things are not truly progress. They haven't changed the power dynamic. The slaveowner can still take away the new beds and increase the working hours and start giving them worse food again. The only things that really matter are structural shifts of power.

[–] iie@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

There is no democracy. If there was, we would agitate for people to vote.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

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In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.