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[–] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 97 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Are they really though? Everyday there is a new "GOP IS LOSING!" article but they are still restricting abortion, attacks LGBT people, and changing curriculums to racist dog shit

are they losing or do we just say that to make ourselves feel better about doing nothing about the encroaching fascism?

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Little column A, little column B. They're losing the demographic war, and if the trend continues without any outside influence, they are a dying party. Because of that, they're resorting to fascism to hold onto power with a dwindling minority. That is, their dwindling power in a fair system is leading them to turn to more drastic measures to retain power. We're watching them take off the fig leaf of acting as if they are bound by laws and norms.

[–] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Does the "demographic war" mean a damn thing when they can still push their agendas with no resistance? Would it mean anything when the VAST majority of cops and service members support them? It feels nice to be the popular kids but does it mean a damn thing in the end

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Well, that's kind of the point. If something isn't done to stop their fascist power grab, then no, it means nothing. But, the important thing is to realize that anti-fascism is still the majority, even if it has no power.

Also, quick edit to add that it's important to remember that the military is a class-based system. The majority of the service members who are Republicans are enlisted, i.e., of the lower class. The officer corps, the ones who actually make decisions, is more evenly split. In fact, if I remember correctly, there's a slight majority of officers who are Democrats. I'd wager the reason for that is that officers are required to have a college degree, and there is a correlation between education and party alignment.

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are losing

And that's the reason they're fighting so hard now. They know it's a matter of time when even the lines on a map that have benefitted them so heavily start to erode as all the GOP diehards just die easy from old age.

The GOP isn't a party that really gains traction. Old people die off. As people age they're not becoming conservative at the rate they used to. It's not an attractive proposition to join a party that has hated you most of your life and is filled with reprehensible people

So there fighting hard now while they still can. They're putting on judges barely out of college who will be there forever. Rigging voting laws. Ignoring voting maps.

Power is there goal and they're holding on as long as it's possible.

They're even trying to change the laws to stop the inevitable collapse of their shitty shrinking party. Trying to give states the right to basically throw an entire federal election because they know they're going to lose.

[–] ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does not being popular really mean anything if they seize the courts, rig the vote, and court the support of the police?

[–] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

They've always done that, and its only slowed progress rather than stopping it.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

By making progress on their agenda, they're losing voters. Their policies are anti-people, and people are starting to wake up from that.

But you're right, we're going to spend years digging out from this hole.

[–] renrenPDX@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like they're losing in a sense that the old generation is dying out and are afraid of the younger new generations making a move. They're winning in the sense that it's way easier to manipulate people through the Internet and social media than ever.

[–] joborun@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It was the mishaps of the internet effect and social media, being inherently hierarchical and non-democratic, "owners" of virtual space dictating communication to be a-political, under the preface that people get along when they are a-political. It is the same generation that you see as winning to be the motor for losing. The reason you can't develop democracy on the internet is that "the internet" doesn't exist over public space but is solely built on private space (land or wire doesn't matter). It is always the host, not the tenants, that place the rules for being on or off.

The age-polarization was a dillemma for many generations it was always a false polarization. Unless you would consider an anarchist/libertarian community of equals participating in decision processes, all hierarchical systems of organization will float the elders to the top and youth to serve in the bottom. Whether it is GOP, or a communist party, a club, or anything else, when do you find anyone young at the top. And by what means do you expect that someone younger will be more democratic, and less of a fascist?

[–] joborun@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

With the democratic party moving as far to the right as it had, there was little room for the rep.party to move to, other than where it is now.

This is the US political system's reaction to the popular uprising of the Trump years, the transition of Occupy-xyz to BLM ... It is like America of the 30s reacting and ending in the AmeriKKKa of the 50s.

One thing that the American left has way overlooked is the power over 80% of the population that Sunday morning propaganda and indoctrination has. Zombies like Biden can be drawn out of the alter closets and dropped as saviors of a crisis.

The health of the democratic tendencies of the US was evaluated by the revolution the Snowden revelations created. Since there was none, consider the corpse cold and stiff.