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I feel like for some ppl 5kg is a lot of change and for some people it isn’t; like 5 kg is 7% of my body weight.

Yeah, this is what men should be a lot more focused on, men should all live by the motto of your friend Spider. The insecurity of the straight man is so harmful, not just to them but to everyone around them. And, uh, I hope you're comfortable and consenting if he's whipping his dick out on you lol!

Yeah, generally in science, things that are seen as true are true in all cases, unless in express exception. If weight per unit of height is the independent variable, and health outcomes are the independent variable, the unexplained inconsistencies tell a story that would accept the null hypothesis in all cases, except if we arbitrarily say "well it doesn't work for really muscular people, or really tall people" (It also doesn't work for little people, whose oppression lead this conversation away from them and towards the tall folk who it equally doesn't work for, but I feel its necessary they are mentioned and space is held for them in this conversation)

I think it’s sort of threefold because both the medical community and the general public both treat being overweight as a discipline issue more than a gut microbiome, hormonal, or genetic issue which is also likely, and people (more the general public, but sometimes the medical professionals) will look at charts and see “this person is overweight, that explains this this and this, they should eat an apple. Okay, bill their insurance”, rather than treating the real health issues as health issues, they use the screening tool to discredit the moral character of the patient and take medical action based on that bias.

Similarly a BMI of 30 doesn’t produce an OMG reaction and pressure to get bariatric surgery. But it will drive a lifestyle conversation. Culturally, non-doctors act like this about an even pushing overweight BMI (25-30), especially if the person is a woman. The thing about BMI being overrated is the effect it has had on the popular health discourse, not on what a doctor tells you. I completely rescind the stuff about muscle, most of the world is not that muscular. But still, the overall cultural effect of the weight-watching culture is a lot more toxic than what the doctor says. Regular people think that skinniness is like the paragon of health, when sometimes the skinny people are getting sick twice a season, got low iron, and nap for a sum total of 12 hours of sleep a day. Maybe the post should have lead with that.

but it’s highly correlated with health outcomes. Huh, as the article and the other commenter says, I was of the impression that it isn't as correlated with health outcomes as the medical field once thought. Maybe it's my high school football and track background, but I feel like I know a lot of people who have hit 2/3/4. I think they're less of an outlier than people lead on. Like, we had a graduating class of 70 people, and about 7 of them could lift some heavy weight, 6 masculine, one feminine. Of course, I know my podunk public school in rural U.S. isnt a proper microcosm for the world's population, but I think we should acknowledge that athletic people have some muscle mass on them. Most of the world works in manual labor jobs, so the athleticism of the regular person (outside of the US, which has a known history of a growing obese population) probably isn't as unmuscular as at least my US perspective would lead me to believe.