I don't think I suggested they weren't, but please clarify if I did
Philo_and_sophy
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Respectfully, I think you're missing a great deal of labor value in the cloud.
One branch is the developers who are creating the cloud infrastructure and the algorithms that keep us hooked, the other branch is us as users (or serfs more accurately) who are training these algorithms endlessly via social media consumption
I don't know if you're in the tech industry or have exposure to the level of engineering as well as the value of processed data harvested from users, but the massive valuation of tech companies in Western stock markets vs the rest of the society should be a reasonable indicator
Both of these forms of labor power create the underlying value of cloud capital (as well as the all of the upstream workers, but they are not novel forms of value to your point)
Secondly, there seems to be a meaningful incongruence regarding influencers. I think we agree that their form of labor pales in comparison to the other labor inputs noted above.
Technofeudalism isn't concerned with influencers at all, and it's a red herring to suggest so imho
But to your closing point, while I agree this comes from a global north perspective, its consequences are universal in that serfs from the global South are tilling the land of cloud capitalism for free just as much as folks from the global north
...Are we following the same economist?
Yanis has been very clear that this stage of capitalism could still be considered capitalism, but he's specifically meaning this period as technofeudal because the relationship of worker to the mode of production has meaningfully shifted with the owners of cloud capital
Say what you will about capitalists owning the railroads, utilities, etc., I and most people reading this don't work for these companies for free and therefore give these companies egregious valuations
The workers under cloud capitalism (the other name for this shift) are better described serfs as they are not wage labor and will never be
And China will steal the plans for the next fighter just like they did with the F-35 💸
Nothing about the book, but curious about Praxis Press vs other leftist publishers like verso books, leftword, etc.?
Ah, I meant the selection of philosophers was Western biased. But yes, to your point, most Western philosophers also have Western biases
Unfortunately, most offered sources are implicitly biased towards Western/traditional intellectual philosophy as we live in a culture that has normalized and centered Western (male) philosophers
Oddly enough I think Action Comics's Action Philosophers is a really breezy introduction to an international body of philosophers that you can use to further your education. Still Western biased, but less so
I.e. Lao Tzu, Confucius, Simone du Beauvoir, Frantz Fanon, et al
True story fam
Hasn't the Newsguild been silent on Gaza and misinformation though?
It doesn't legitimize Merediths cash grab, but that union really isn't very "uniony" if it doesn't fight for it's members or act in solidarity with workers at large
Is good games journalism back? 👀
Shout-out to aftermath and RPS for holding it down in the meantime
House of Fata Morgana has cult status imho and the best rated Switch game the year it released
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Please read this with the intentions of maintaining this as illuminative disagreement rather than another inane internet argument
I think we can agree that all of these criteria are confirmed with my initial point except taxation.
Ex. your data is bound to the service provider, users produce content collectively for their own consumption, a private militia via security teams, and that users and the corporation do not use commerce for social reproduction (at least from each other in this case)
Imho, I'd argue that the taxation is in the form of attention, which is also commodified by the corporation to sell targeted ads as per your point about surveillance capitalism