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oh man, i wonder how many just dont know

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 75 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry ladies, they are a little busy growing sunflowers right now.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

How nice of them to take up gardening

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t think they’re coming home even if (and most likely) dead

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Isn’t it like 350k deployed and 315k dead? Those are insane numbers.

Edit: 315k killed and wounded… not sure of the ratio

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Afaik, it's 315k casualties, not deaths, which basically means "unable to serve". This includes dead, injured, captured, deserted etc. Also keep in mind that this is an Ukrainian estimate which might be inflated.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, you’re right it is killed and wounded. But, these are US intelligence numbers.

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The ratio is almost always 3:1 in all cases. And I think the US has corroborated Ukrainian numbers very closely in the past, so it's probably a fair guess that 100k Russians have died.

[–] MethodicalSpark@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought in Ukraine it was closer to 2:1 due to poor Russian medical training and supplies.

[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's be real, if you're in power in Russia do you want a lot of wounded returning home from this war? Every soldier returning from the front is a potential threat to your narrative.

[–] obbelusk@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Expensive too.

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

3:1 of 315k is 80k deaths

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

351k according to today's numbers, crossed 350 two days ago.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is that always how casualty is defined??? I had no idea

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

TIL. Thanks for the power up!

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I remember being surprised when I learned that casualty does not necessarily mean fatality. I think it’s a common misunderstanding.

[–] FutileRecipe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

basically means "unable to serve". This includes dead, injured, captured, deserted etc.

Ah, I didn't know that. I now envision it sometimes going like:
"Poor Steve, a casualty of war."
"What do you mean, he snuck back home and is watching TV in his mom's basement!"

[–] Nythos@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago

The accuracy of these numbers is always going to be debatable and the true numbers likely never known but this is what Ukraine is saying what Russian losses are like

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I can't believe we had a Cold War with those guys.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Their stockpiles and equipment were neglected over years. They once held a significant strength in their military. But it was systemic corruption that eroded their status as a military superpower. That's clearly a myth at this point, no doubt..

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

USSR =/= Russian Federation.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, they both have/had rampant corruption and cronyism, so they aren't actually that different. Russia just stopped pretending to be communist.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I think they are referring to the relative societal priority of maintaining a large modern fighting force. USSR was investing and developing bleeding edge weapons tech. Russia has just been sitting on that same stockpile.

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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The Soviet Union included a dozen nations not held by Russia today (one of whom was Ukraine), and Russia has suffered rampant corruption and neglect since the fall of the union 30 years ago

[–] mochisuki@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

What we had was an excuse to spend unlimited money on weapons, destabilizing anti-business foreign governments, and demonizing unions and social programs.

[–] loomi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Putin confirmed 300,000 in a speech about a week ago.

[–] helmet91@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't be surprised if he sends those women to the frontline as well.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

"But I had a husband!"

"IS CAT NOW!"

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Good luck with that. They’re not coming back.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, they will... as sunflowers in the fields of Ukraine.

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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is what happened during their Afghanistan. The women started protesting.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yep and to try and prevent that this time they drew disproportionate numbers from the arse end of nowhere. Hopefully we hit some kind of tipping point soon.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I think that might be a double edged sword. They aren't central to the country, sure, but being more remote also makes it easier for them to take and hold territory in a rebellion.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As far as I know it's not that they have just now started demanding this, it's that now their demands have been blatantly and openly ignored and handwaved away. The frustration is really high already.

I heard some people believe this to be a tipping point but I am afraid to believe that this will affect anything

[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

we'll know if the tipping point is reached because it'll be violent. This isn't violent

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tipping point: like that tipping point which led to a military coup? Heh. That didn't go anywhere. What happened to them again?

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

I also don't know what realistically may happen to change things

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Even if they came back, they’ll never be the same

[–] jaschen@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure Putin doesn't have the power to bring back the dead, but wishful thinking tho Russian women.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No husband! Only Khlav Khlash!

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a fictional kebab-style food from The Simpson's cartoon.

[–] wwaxen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a bit salty, what would you recommend to drink?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

We have Mountain Dew and Crab Juice.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Good luck with that. Not something Putin wants.

[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Very sad. Poor oppressed Russian woman cries

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