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The Marvels, goofy and bold, shows there’s still some magic left in the MCU (www.vox.com)
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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I though the movie was fun.

My biggest issue with the MCU as a whole is scale creep. The stakes don't always have to be larger than last time. When the scope becomes so vast that our place in it becomes lost, the catastrophe you're trying to avert stops being a tragedy and starts being a statistic, and then an abstraction. Big enough stakes are no stakes.

And ffs, can we do something other than sky beams opening portals? These stories ride on the personalities of the characters and how they react to different situations. Not the same situation in a different shade of purple this time.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That was one of the things that made Guardians of the Galaxy 3 interesting.

The stakes were so low! Would it have changed anything on a galactic scale if Rocket had been claimed by the High Evolutionary? No, not really. It would have sucked for everyone personally involved, but Knowhere would have kept rolling on...

[–] Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

Same with Captain America: Civil War. Dude just wanted to break up the Avengers, not destroy the world/solar system/galaxy/universe.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

is this really news?

[–] bigbluealien@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well damn, had to read your comment to notice what community this was in, certainly doesn't belong here

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

And I had to read your comment to realize the one you replied to wasn’t just being sarcastic about an expected result

[–] DelvianSeek@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Saw it last night, mostly agree with this take on it, though in a bit less glowing terms. I didn't think the emotional payoff alluded to in this review really worked, because I didn't think they'd laid enough groundwork for it. Too much of this movie was more storyboard than story, with not enough time spent on actually delving into these characters' feelings and relationships. That said, it was definitely a fun popcorn flick, with some great action, a good sense of humor, fun characters, and, as the article points out, minimal required external knowledge. And everything said about the publicity was spot on.

[–] pwnicholson@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Exactly. Early Marvel was deeply about character and their depth and character flaws that made them interesting. Thor, Steve Rogers, Natasha Romanov, and especially Tony Stark were interesting and complex personalities. (Bruce Banner and Clint Barton...eh).

The stories in recent Marvel products are fine. Mildly interesting serials. Ok popcorn fare.

But the character development has been getting more and more lacking. Even Thor has been reduced to 'dumb blonde'/'dumb entitled rich kid' gags.

I think that's part of what makes Loki one of the only really interesting outings for Marvel recently. He stayed reasonably conflicted and complex.

[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The comics struggled with making Clint Barton interesting on his own for quite a while - the Matt Fraction Hawkeye series actually succeeded in making him interesting though, and I was rather disappointed when the MCU went a different route.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I just want to see Jeremy Renner do more Mission Impossible. I liked that one.

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

I think Thor is actually more interesting of a character in his later movies, but other than that I pretty much agree with you

[–] June@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Yea, my biggest gripe is how little they let the movie breathe. It was constant cuts immediately away from an important moment. I know what they were going for in each moment, but the immediate scene change ended up making it really flat and the climax was really anti-climactic. I was sure there was another 30 minutes left when the movie was about to end.

That said I still really enjoyed it. It was fun, goofy, some really good sequences, and it did a good job setting up the next phase.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly I'm just tired of the hero fad

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm tired of "you need to watch this TV show to know what's going on in the next movie because everything is interconnected and everything is critically-essential to the world building." Marvel...Star Wars...is it just Disney? Maybe I'm tired of Disney.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago

But how else can they continue to extract subscription fees, movie ticket prices, and merch purchases from you, the customer, at every turn?

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Yay more Disney poop

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

That's funny, someone in another thread who had almost certainly not seen it told me it was terrible. And "it has nothing to do with gender."

Honestly, my issue with it is that you have to see Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel and Wandavision for this movie to work, which means this movie is for Disney+ subscribers and they're not being up front about that at all. But if people like it, fine. I'm glad they do.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Marvel's main trick is that they make movies where you don't need to watch the others, but you get little extra credit points if you have. So I actually don't think you need to see the Disney+ show.

The real problem is either that people THINK you need to have seen the other shows/ movies, or people who haven't seen them just don't care.

Like Spiderman isn't just a superhero story, he's a multimedia IP that gets people out to see whatever he's in. The broader fan base of the main characters here just aren't as big.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Maybe in some of the movies, but with some of them, like the Dr. Strange sequel... if you didn't watch Wandavision, you would have no idea what is going on. A huge amount of it involves the aftermath of Wandavision.

[–] silverbax@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can confirm. I read all of these stories back in the comics, saw most of the movies, but never watched Wandavision. I had no understanding of why she was suddenly the villain.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To be honest I watched WandaVision and didn't really understand why she was suddenly the villian. It's like they cut a scene from the ending of WandaVision or the beginning of Doctor Strange that would have developed her motives better. But that's generally the issue right now (in my opinion), they aren't spending enough time developing the characters.

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

MoM was written before Wandavision was finalized iirc.

It felt like they just undid a ton of her plot development in the opening bits of MoM.

[–] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Apparently Sam Raimi never watched it, and Feige didn’t say “no, you have to”

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I was very much a fan of the first Dr. Strange movie and was looking forward to the sequel, but I was not a fan of Wandavision so when I found out the movie was basically Wandavision II (with guest appearance by Dr. Strange) I just didn't bother.

This is a problem for any franchise that tries to interweave its shows too closely, as soon as one comes along that leaves a sour taste in my mouth anything else that's closely entwined with it comes with a poison pill. Having a common fictional setting is great but moderation is needed and great care must be taken not to "break" it. I've dropped out of several other franchises that I used to think I would be a life-long fan of because of modern attempts to revamp the setting that just ruined them IMO.

[–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Usually I can wrap up the basic plot points from a relevant show on the way to the theater. I was actually surprised this movie too scenes right out of the show to introduce the character

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I haven’t seen it either. But my daughter wants to.

[–] spiderkle@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

+++ breaking news +++ the Marvels flopped hard at the box office. Meaning nobody wanted to see it or even knew it came out. Second lowest MCU box office opening

[–] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Considering that the actors couldn't do the usual marketing tours due to the strike so there's a lot of average Marvel fans who didn't know it was out, I'm not surprised Opening Weekend wasn't amazing. It's had a better opening than most movies this year except heavily marketed block busters so I don't think this is really an overall bad sign for this film. Unlike Eternals, I think this is going to build audience over it's first couple of weeks. Saw a lot more people talking about it on social media than anything since Barbie/Oppenheimer.

[–] doubletwist@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a shame. We saw it and enjoyed it.

[–] spiderkle@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

It's fine, they'll put it on Disney+ sooner. The kids will like it.

[–] ImminentOrbit@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

The Marvels is the worst superhero movie I've ever seen. I'm not seen Wonder woman 1984 and have been told that that is slightly worse, but I thought this movie was trash from beginning to end.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago

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