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[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 4 hours ago

This is so perfect.

I'm from a conservative white american family, and some of the odd-sounding ones are still perfect for illustrating the issue in that culture where different people are not just different, they are bad and scary until proven otherwise.

Obviously things like hate, bigotry, and other-ing are a problem for the entire human race. I'm just thinking of the particular flavor that you get with dumb trumpers.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Underage girls can't concent. The story sounded more like "God" influenced/controlled those girls to do that. No winners in the story.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 14 points 9 hours ago (3 children)
[–] beebers@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Spicy foods = covert racism

Generally speaking spicy foods are from non-white ethnic foods.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 4 points 5 hours ago

Spicy food is a gateway to anal sex.

Please don't ask for proof.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 18 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Actually, yeah. Raised fundamentalist.

Cats are animals and don't have souls, intensely loving and personifying a pet can be seen as sinful. Also, having pets instead of childen is sinful as you're supposed to be fruitful and multiply.

I'm not sure if there is a particular verse for spicy food, but sobriety in all things. I used to get in trouble for using more than a drop of Tabasco or too much black pepper. IIRC, I got whipped once for too much Tabasco in my grandmother's chicken stew, (it was seen as an insult).

Gotta go. Saying goodbye to Lulu the cat, who's a person. Leaving for a clothing optional BDSM weekend and bringing habanero hot sauce for taco night.

[–] HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Beefsquints@discuss.online 2 points 4 hours ago

Everything about the fundie lifestyle is wtf.

[–] Forester@pawb.social 1 points 5 hours ago

They sound exMormon

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 hours ago

A Catholic guy I worked with had similar "animals don't have souls" argument, and argued animal abuse laws were bullshit and people shouldn't get in trouble for abusing animals. He had lots of other troublesome options too.

[–] Hazzard@lemmy.zip 23 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Risking some downvotes here, but just like most stories, not every character in the Bible is supposed to be a paragon of morality. Just like in any story, people do bad things.

Obviously this post is somewhat satirical, but dunking on something like this just reminds me of book banning arguments, and that general lack of literary comprehension. There's better things to take issue with.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Lot of the bible is described as the only moral person in the whole city (two cities actually), the only one deserving to live. If that's not the definition of being paragon of morality, I don't know what is.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's the beginning of the story, yes.

Then the story goes on with Lot's wife turning around and perishing for it, and then Lot's daughters get Lot drunk with the goal of getting him to get them pregnant.

And then there's no further judgment about either Lot or his daughters in the rest of the story.

Even contrary: It displays the daughters as having given the circumstances and their actions a lot of thought and makes it sound as a very logical conclusion. And it says that the father was so passed out drunk that he didn't notice the whole thing.

(That's obviously hard to believe when taking it as a factual history, but like the rest of Genesis it's not. The whole first book of Moses is basically the origin myth of the israelites, not a historical record. The general consensus is that Lot never existed, contrary to e.g. David, who is most likely an actual historical person. And since this is just a myth, it's just as internally logically consistent as Harry Potter fanfiction.)

So the whole point in the OP is quite disingenous. Neither did Lot rape his daughters, nor does the text put the blame on any of them and nobody gets called a whore.

In fact, Lot is not a king.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that conclusion (in the OP) sounds a lot like some aita commenters who give judgements based on a bunch of assumptions they just made up in their heads. They don't believe the original version where the daughters are at fault, so replace that version with their own and add the discrepancy (that they created in the first place) as another point against it.

It's a fictional story where the daughters were written as villains. Or maybe it was erotica of its time, intended to sell more copies of the Bible or get people in to listen to what crazy shit happened next.

Though I just remembered another part that does really bring the paragon of goodness (and what they thought was good) into question: the city of Sodom was destroyed because the citizens, upon seeing an angel or pair of angels or something, insisted they needed to gang rape them. Lot, in his unquestionable goodness, offers his own daughters for the gang rape instead. So clearly, at best they saw his daughters as his possessions that he could "sacrifice" to do "good", at worst they thought so little of women getting gang raped that it was just an "out" offered to the people that they refused and thus justified their destruction (because a normal gang rape must be fine, but angelic gang rape is something else).

Oh and the call for blind obedience just thrown in when the wife looks back after being told not to and is punished for disobeying.

Lol the story as told is fucked up enough, don't know why anyone feels the need to act like it was based on true events but was actually just a coverup for a different rape.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Lot offering up his daughters is a commonly misinterpreted part of the story. It was meant to show how far you were obligated to go to protect guests in your house. It has been twisted into 'homosexuality is so bad it's better to allow your daughters to be raped than let anything gay happen.'

Either way it is pretty awful by today's standards, but not exactly the way a lot of people want it to be.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Even that interpretation still leaves the whole "his daughters are just tools he can use to meet his obligations" thing. It's values like this that the old testament was based on.

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Now it makes sense why in Dante’s inferno traitors to their guests are buried further than traitors to their kindred

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't his issue that he got so drunk his daughters raped him? Turning that around seems to be horribly along the lines of saying women can't rape men, an issue that is pretty bad in the modern era.

Implying that one can't be moral if one has been raped is pretty horrendous.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

His daughters thought they were the last people on earth after the destruction of their home. So they got him drunk for the purposes of using him to get pregnant to try to repopulate.

[–] Hazzard@lemmy.zip 5 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

"Good" also doesn't mean flawless at all times. Characters can make mistakes and still be "good" without you having to justify everything they've done as perfect.

An even better example is King David, the one and only "man after God's own heart" taking another man's wife while he was fighting David's war, and then arranging his death to cover it up after he got her pregnant.

Arguing that that, or this, is advice for the reader, or meant as an example of something you should do, is a comical straw man. A narrative doesn't usually stop to explicitly label "good" and "bad" for us like children. There's loads to complain about with popular far-right Christianity, why would we invent ridiculous arguments that are easy to debunk and make us look like we don't have good literary comprehension?

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[–] ike@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Spicy food the hardest burn on here.

[–] HiddenPotential@lemmy.world -2 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Parents tend to be disgusting low lives

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 4 points 3 hours ago

Wow that's... Aggressive. You've just demeaned your entire species. What do you gain from that?

[–] Beefsquints@discuss.online 0 points 5 hours ago

I honestly think it just gets people on board for authoritarian bullshit. I have watched a lot of people turn into total.nut jobs after having children.

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