Homosexual behaviour has been exhibited by every known species. Homophobia has only been documented in one .
Who's fuckin unnatural now?
this post was submitted on 10 Aug 2025
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"Being gay is gay" is the tautology this whole thing will eventually evolve to as all their arguments get refuted one by one.
I wouldn't bet on it. If they cared about their arguments getting refuted via logic and/or facts, then they'd already have dropped their bullshit.
No, they're emotionally still children taught by bullies how to "win" by refusing to back down no matter what, and that "might makes right" so they all back each other up. It unfortunately all too often works for them by simply wearing out their opponents - who can't fathom not giving AF about the facts, and/or just don't know how to defeat such obstinance.
This is the sort of argument that might stick though "oh yea well world's oldest tortoise is a 150 gay monogomous male tortoise named Jonathan". The problem starts when people begin their discussions like "well scientific studies show that...". You should treat them like they have the attention span of a toddler.
If that's the required MO, then I don't see the point in even bothering. Reality is virtually always going to be more complicated than those arrogantly making such basic erroneous assertions are going to be willing to deal with. That attitude of "I'm right no matter what" is driven by deep insecurities that have long since been forgotten as their real motivations after they buried them in overcompensating mountains of false bravado. You can ELI5 all you want, but if they're not as open to learning new things as someone who actually is a 5yo, then odds are extremely high that you'll just be wasting your time.
Yeah but to him it seemed like about a year and a half.
Swans are also apparently Hella gay so.....
Those aren't the same turtles in the two pictures. The one on the left looks like a Galapagos and the two on the right are Sulcata...
We have a Sulcata and he humps his water bowl at least once a week.
Im sure some animals have gay tendencies, but are these two turtles having sex or do they just hang out together? Are they given a choice to hang out with femmes, or do they keep them, males and females, separate so they don't breed?
Im all for guy rights and all, but this kinda stuff is why others don't take you serious.
It's a meme - not exactly a medium where rigorous accuracy and attention to detail are to be expected. According to this Smithsonian article (soft paywall) from a few years ago (regarding his 190th birthday), he's actually bi and that's quite normal for them.
They do indeed fuck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_(tortoise)#Since_2015
https://www.huffpost.com/archive/au/entry/the-oldest-animal-in-the-world-is-probably-gay_a_23251452
The tortoise on the left seems to be Harriet, one of the other longest lived tortoises tho she's since passed. I'm guessing OOP did a search and got them confused.
AND THEY WERE ROOMMATES!
No. They were best friends who lived together. (Don't worry, I know the vine you're talking about haha)
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When I was a teen I asked my religious homophobic grandma if animals dont have rational thought but can still be gay, how did they "choose" to be gay? Her response? Gay penguins dont have souls so it doesnt count.
Just shows you that people like that just want a neat and tidy (thought terminating) answer, rather than to know the actual truth.
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It's cute and all but... I really hate that arguement. If it wasn't natural, it wouldn't make it any less moral. We don't need to play by their rhetorical rules. I know that this is just a cute thing, but I see this kind of things all the time and I feel quite strongly about it. So what if I wasn't born this way? So what if it's not natural? Does it somehow make things worse? Or is just an excuse to justify hatred of something that just grosses the 'phobes out?... y'know?
Glasses are not natural, pacemakers are not natural, cars are not natural.
Anyone who uses "not natural" as an argument while not living in a brush hut and cooking over a woodfire is just a hypocrite
We're the only species that can make our own fires. So unless you stumble upon a fire that has started because of a lightning strike or something, cooking over a fire is pretty unnatural. Then again we are part of nature, so anything we do is natural 🤷♂️
Of course it is a dumb argument, but it is to refute the even dumber argument that somehow homosexuality isn't natural.
My point is that we shouldn't even entertain the question in the first place. It doesn't matter if it's natural or not. If it was unnatural, it wouldn't make it any less moral or okay.
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