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[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Socialist Majority Caucus wants this. They didn't "fall" for anything.

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

yeah that's true

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago

where did that bring you? back-to-me

[–] Moonworm@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The clear conclusion I draw from this is that he doesn't want police officers doing so much overtime, which is something I agree with. It is consistent with his plan to shrink the scope of what police handle in the city, which I think is only beneficial. Even if we desire the complete abolition of police and believe that this must be achieved via revolutionary action, the diminishing of police ubiquity and de facto decrease of funding creates better conditions for such action.

A lot of people would rather turn their nose up at anything with the semblance of a mass political project because it fails some criteria and is therefor "tailist" and "social fascist", yet will themselves offer no alternative plan beyond vague calls to organize. Organize what exactly? This is left as an exercise for the reader, though we can wonder whether anything organized by such contemptible imperial subjects and liberals will ever pass muster for the principled do-nothings.

There is little conclusion I can make besides people either making continuing excuses for their inaction (and, if you are engaged in organizing with the PSL or something, great! keep it up. I'm not talking to you.) or that they are, whether they realize it or not, accelerationists who can only hope that things will break correctly or who do not care for their own lives or those around them. What does it matter to you if NYC elects a socdem or a demsoc or a selfsuck? Do you need it to fall down fast enough that people get a smack on the bottom that makes them into good, principled communists? At a very basic level I do disagree with this idea. This is a large and mobilized group of people active right now that should be used as best as it can to advance the political consciousness of the people involved and watching and to achieve whatever material gains can be had in the city. I have concerns about the campaign and the potential for recuperation of Mamdani as a political figure. I neither think we should ignore this nor throw up our hands and say, "it is already a lost cause." This is a moment to hold tight and wring as much as can be wrought from the moment. I hope that the people in Mamdani's campaign and its leadership have this mindset.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago
[–] LeninWalksTheEarth@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

OP, did you think Mamdani was going to be Lenin? cause he's Bernie.

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[–] upmysleeves@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

fell for what ?

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

who knew that this is what happens when you put faith in a Democrat? we've never seen anything like this before. usually the grassroot candidate goes way left after getting elected, not the other way around! anyway, let's make sure that this strategy gets replicated across the country...

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Gonna be honest I definitely fell for it

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago (13 children)

i thought he sounded cool too but in the end it's just another counter-insurgency candidate trying to capture and waste as much socialist organising capacity as possible.

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

never vote for a democrat

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[–] Chana@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

Get to wear my I told you so cap while looking sad

[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago
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