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From age and ID restrictions on the Internet, to charging rappers with “terrorism,” the U.K. is demolishing the most basic civil liberties. If we let them, U.S. leaders may be close behind.

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[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I think it's odd (and pretty terrifying) the U.K. and U.S. have been on such similar and almost coordinated authoritarian tracks over the last few years. It started with a lot of gradual steps and more recently they seem to be ramping things up (which also seems pretty common for authoritarianism/by the time most people notice something weird is happening it's too late).

Both ramping up A.I. to spy on, and control/micromanage their own civilians while refusing regulations or any public accountability for the A.I. they're developing.

April 2024: U.S., U.K. Announce Partnership to Safety Test AI Models

Feb 2025: UK and US refuse to sign international AI declaration

May 2025: Brexit’s Failures Could Foreshadow Trump’s. Just Not in the Way You Might Think.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As someone who immigrated to the UK I can tell you this is a bit of a stretch. I'm not exactly afraid of dying in a hate crime at a traffic stop or ICE agents beating down my door to detain me here.

But yeah, some internet liberties are being steadily revoked. Hardly the same fucking thing as literally fearing for your life each day because of your last name or the color of your skin.

Freedom today for safety tomorrow. That's where it always starts. How far it's allowed to go is TBD, but don't worry, it's for your own good.

[–] Part4@infosec.pub 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We have been on the same track in many respects since Reagan/Thatcher.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Could? go publicly criticize the Pedo in chief and watch what happens

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The idea that America EVER had free fucking speech is propaganda. There is no such thing, not in the US and not anywhere. Nations have to control their propaganda or they lose their power. Want an example? Just log into your favorite feed-site in another country and look how radically different every post, every comment and every news story is. Our perspective in the US is as cultivated as it is anywhere else.

The only way we would ever have truly free speech in any capacity would be if we had a borderless world, and I don't see that happening as long as we have money and classes.

Short of some alien species descending and absorbing everyone into a hive-mind, this isn't going to change for a thousand years at least.

[–] pirate2377@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 days ago

America is already well on its way to lose free speech as well. We have a secret police called "ICE" now, so it's only a matter of time unless the "resistance democrats" finally do their fucking job

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Britain never had free speech and always have been a absolute nanny state. It's a prime example that government overreach does not result in any safety improvements.

[–] nlgranger@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Many people seem to ignore that british legislation is choke full of gag laws and restrictions on pretty fundamental rights.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah why shoild they be able to tell me to wear seatbelts.

[–] WiseScorpio@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

What is this 'could be' business?

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

So did people in the 80's (before internet) have more free speech than now, or less?

Can't anyone just build their own website and "free speech" all they want?

Private media owners always had control over their property, that isn't new.

[–] Mniot@programming.dev 163 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I think the US will be fine as long as we don't repeatedly elect some kind of cabal of pedophile authoritarians.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 46 points 1 week ago (11 children)

You mean the Republican party? At this point I'm convinced their voter based would elect a serial killer so long as they said they were Republican.

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[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org 122 points 1 week ago (31 children)

Just what the fuck is this timeline? I was born in Russia and spent a good chunk of my life basically idolizing USA, UK, EU, other European countries, English-first countries, etc.

By the time I had the language and professional skills to try and migrate into a probably really good life, suddenly there's a rise of authoritarianism, loss of privacy, rollback to the political right and intolerance and hatred and whatever.

There's still a long way for these nations to go before things are as bad as here, but the differences still are dwindling at an alarming rate and I often find myself wondering if it's gonna be worth the effort if I want to eventually move to someplace that still respects privacy and freedom and is sensible about the Internet and digital technologies.

There's still a lot of perks from knowing English as well as I do, but at this point, I think I'd have to learn German or Swedish or some other northern EU language if I ever make up my mind.

And by the time I'm ready, these countries will roll out some bullshit, too, right?

And then there's Visa and MasterCard telling you what you can and can't purchase because some conservative cesspool wrote some emails - but gamers' emails are ignored...

It's all so demoralising. I miss looking forward to the future with hope and excitement for things.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 points 4 days ago

For real. The shell shock of working all your life to move to these once idyllic looking countries has been about as quickly and bizarrely dismantled near overnight in the same vein as the 2008 market crash impacting an entire generation's outlook on their career prospects.

Basically, if you were born in the 90s/00s, your future is fucked no matter what you choose to pursue or where you move to. Even people working at NASA are being fucked over as we speak. We're in war times.

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

what's happening is our current system right now is in the process of failing. it's dying, it didn't work and it can no longer sustain itself. Someone once said something along the lines of "When the current system fails, the next one will consist of whatever ideas are left"

So what ideas are left? the ideas of the far right, just like far right ideas are ALWAYS left when a system is about to die. So all these governments, all these wealthy individuals, all these people that have the most to gain are are going start backing the new up coming system. We're seeing it in real time.

But this has happened time and time again. We're a collectively dumb species and love watching repeats. it's always the same song and dance "well lets go this way, sure it didn't work out last time but I don't believe it'll happen to us THIS time".

So it's not so much "what the fuck is this timeline" but rather "well it's our generations turn for bullshit". And it always skips a generation. So the boomers didn't experience it, but their parents did, and now it's our turn. Hopefully our children or our Kids children will be smarter than boomers but...we as humans sure do love watching reruns.

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 days ago

it is a simple as the rich thinking they no longer need plebs soon

it is no coincidence this is happening during the blown up of AI

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[–] Corelli_III@midwest.social 91 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"and america could be next!" they literally have domestic concentration camps in america there is no freedom there

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 points 4 days ago

Yep. They have it backwards. UK is next... in maybe a decade. Could be longer.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Our speech has been controlled here since media's inception. We just live in the world of manufactured perception that because we can argue on the internet or have marches that somehow speech and propaganda isn't a tightly-controlled system.

You don't NEED to jail critics to have control over your country's speech, you just need to control the narratives via news outlets, reddit posts, newspapers, facebook "friends" and popular television fiction shows.

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[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 86 points 1 week ago

The US is already well down the path with masked men kidnapping people on the street, holding them without any contact, defunding all sorts of media and billionaires suppressing all sorts off stuff in their media outlets.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 43 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Britain has never had free speech in the same way as the US, nor even of the press. Only in the last few decades, they've only had what's required by the ECHR.

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[–] mriswith@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago

That was lost a while ago, but it's nice more people are noticing that it's getting worse.

[–] monogram 32 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Remember VPNs definitely don’t help here, definitely don’t try to skirt any protections using a VPN, definitely remember to have your ID with you at the ready for any website to show to.

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[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hopefully this doesn't devolve into another USA vs UK shit flinging contest. Authoritarianism is on the rise everywhere, Trump and Starmer are both utilising state power to crack down on dissent and opposition. Those of us who are opposed to this shit are on the same side.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 4 points 6 days ago

100%.

Doesn't matter the country.

Do you work for a living?

Do you want to live without fear of governments and corporations breathing down your neck waiting to make an example of you or profit from you?

...Then we should be on the same side. Simple as.

Good-natured jabs aside, of course. ;) Love ya, Brits. <3

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