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[–] uhmbah@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

@xylol Is one of those who brought it up.

One of the steps that will lead to mass corporate slavery.

"Former" Americans will be bought and sold, or "disposed of", to pay off their "debt" for being allowed to stay on American soil.

[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 132 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Applied retroactively and recursively, it would strip citizenship from effectively all Americans

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 109 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That’s the point. They have a weapon that can be used against anyone, and it’s already shown they don’t care about due process. The courts gave him everything he needs.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think this is a great point. If they dispute the immigration status of your great grandpappy, oh looks like you're an illegal based on this purely unconstitutional "inherited status" doctrine.

Edit: The 14th amendment specifically mentions "born" in the US to prevent the use of the law to do things like this aimed at former slaves. Its no surprise that this kind of thing is being attempted by maga nazis.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's going to suck to have to carry in depth genealogical records everywhere

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, you could carry the 2nd to defend the 14th

[–] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago

That’s impractical and dangerous.

[–] echolalia@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Right?

I'm wondering if there's a way I can use this to get deported to the lands of my great great great great grandparents (Germany or the Netherlands or somewhere idk)

They wouldn't take my stupid ass otherwise

Nah, they'll send you to CECOT or fucking South Sudan in stead

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago

No they’ll send you to CECOT or just make you stateless and dump you somewhere random with nothing

[–] xylol@leminal.space 14 points 1 day ago

Don't worry they're already floating the idea of slavery so illegals can work farms

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[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 63 points 1 day ago (4 children)

How will this impact the people in the Epstein Files?

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Donald J Trump
All Republicans
Half of Democrats

Wow. I Didn't Know That. You're Telling Me Now for the First Time

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

That is a great question. Thanks for bringing it up.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 day ago (5 children)

So, recursively and retroactively. So who is a citizen then? People who pay the $5m? People who are naturalized? Party loyalists? Does servitude guarantee citizenship? I would like to know more.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

service hasn't guaranteed citizenship since Trump scrapped the program in his first term

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's not a nation anymore it is more a club. Do they have membership discounts? /s

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Not even service guarantees citizenship as multiple veterans have been deported

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The more of these boxes you can check, the “safer” you are….

White.
Wealthy.
Straight.
Male.
Christian.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

And well-connected and have rightthink. Those are more important than the others. You can check all your boxes, but too much wrongthink and you'll be against the wall before you know what's happening.

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Party > Wealth > orientation > race/gender > religion (Just keep it quiet.)

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I'm doing my part!

[–] gidostro@lemmy.cafe 79 points 2 days ago

I cannot fucking wait for a bunch of white bitches to be all “why my baby not American, I vote for you!”

FAFO

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.zip 49 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or Trump's wife who he bought from Epstein?

[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wouldn't this mean that Trump's father who's parents were German and his mother who was born in Scotland weren't citizens when he was born on American soil, hence he himself isn't?

[–] axx@slrpnk.net 4 points 19 hours ago

Of course they will never let it apply to themselves.

Fascist regimes delight in and depend on arbitrary enforcement of rules.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No it ain't, experts have been telling us the whole time that no one is safe.

First they came for the Mexicans, I just cracked open a bud light...

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fucking fascists. We should still be accepting immigrants through Ellis Island (in my humble opinion)

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago

No! Don't be humble about that, that's just simply how this country was founded.. and I don't mean the exploiters, I mean the countless immigrants who form the working class since then. That is more than something to take pride in.

I had a little "debate" where it was being argued the US was never a melting pot, and if it was ever, it isn't anymore. How defeatist is that? To let the undeniable presence of so many cultures wither just as these ethnonationalists intend.. You have to be bold, else you lose what you once had, or worse, never achieve anything greater.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To that end, USCIS declared flatly that the children of immigrants who are “unlawfully present” will “no longer be U.S. citizens at birth.” They will, instead, inherit the status of their parents, rendering them detainable and deportable as infants and throughout their lives. There is no indication that the government will provide some grace period before snatching up and imprisoning this new underclass of noncitizen babies; they are apparently subject to arrest from the moment of birth.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (5 children)

it’s not much of a stretch to assume they’ll do the same to people born here three generations down. or six. or twenty.

fucking pieces of garbage worthless nazis these admins and anyone who supports them are.

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[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So. This is what will cause a revolution. Believe that.

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

Will anything cause a revolution?

From an outside-the-US perspective, it feels as though every incremental assault the USA’s constitution is met with a bit of tut-tutting and complaining about why elected members don’t fix things, then back to apathy 48 hours later.

[–] theluckyone@discuss.online 4 points 1 day ago

If this goes through and birthright citizenship falls, so does the rest of the Constitution.

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