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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 37 points 6 days ago (8 children)

We really need to stop abandoning existing foss projects and thinking a whole new thing needs to be invented. Free and open-source software is not a product, it doesn't abide by the same rules and relationships that proprietary tech does.

It's more organic. It's also a commons that we can continue to draw on, and reshape. If I recall correctly, there were something like three different vector graphic editors from the same codebase before Inkscape managed to be the one that gained traction.

Matrix isn't perfect, but abandoning it just to reinvent it all over again just because some people really need a thing that works like Discord, even though Discord is absolute hot garbage; is just going to re-create all the same problems. Matrix today is better than it was two years ago. And Matrix in a year will be better from now.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Can't agree on Discord being hot garbage, unless you're specifically talking about how monetisation has creeped its way into it.

However, with Vencord I don't have to see any of that shit, while also having a far more functional and feature rich client.

Of course, a FOSS, potentially federated alternative would be greatly preferred, but it must have at least the basic functions of Discord.

[–] poloqualle@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago

None of the popular/successful apps are bad.

They usually have great ui/ux and are being actively developed or at least maintained. Think google maps, apple wallet, or of course discord. What is hot garbage, however, is having to accept massive privacy violations if you use them. Vencord unfortunately does not mitigate that. :(

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[–] Vinstaal0 2 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I agree with you, my main issue with Matrix is that it is a pain to self-host at the moment.

[–] kxzaon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy

Honestly, with this, it is easier than ever. Great documentation !

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Often, the problem is that projects get to a point where they're happy and the maintainer doesn't want to add any new features. So people then are forced to build a new project to get those features.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 days ago

Sometimes, but my point is you don't have to start from scratch. It's free software. You are allowed to make extensions or even fork it.

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[–] Netrunner@programming.dev 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Self hosted matrix works great. /thread

[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 days ago

I've been hosting a server without much problems for several years now.

Synapse and Riot.im (now Element) became much better around 2019 or 2020. But not too long ago, I also found out that Synapse also bloats the DB with state_groups_state table. There are a handful of commands that come with synapse, but no built-in admin tool or panel, so I wrote my own. Moving server to another host has been seamless for my (few) users. TURN/STUN for calls seems to work okay (I don't really use it though).

I appreciate Element being uniform across platforms (which I cannot say about XMPP clients), but the sign-in is pretty tedious, and registration with a token is still impossible last time I checked (which is either a hassle for the user to use another client and then their smart device, or a security issue if you open registration to anyone). Most normal people probably don't care and don't want to deal with keys, cross-verification, and all that jazz.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I finally pulled the trigger and moved to my own domain from matrix.org. Man, it is just so much faster. Which is sad, because the performance is pretty bad. (Element Web seems to do some per-room request as part of the initial loading screen which is obviously not scalable) but getting off of matrix.org is a huge performance improvement.

That being said there is nothing really wrong with matrix.org. The problem is really public rooms. People will join and spam. It is true of any protocol (have you heard about email?) but Matrix definitely needs to (and they are slowly working on) make it more expensive for spammers.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I don’t know why people don’t use irc, I’m in it daily and it’s busier than Matrix, and even busier than some Discord servers I’m in. And there’s mobile clients. There’s even way less bots and spam

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I think the barrier to entry is kind of high, you need to use a bouncer to see what happened while you were offline.

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don’t really worry about that. I treat it like natural conversation, or traditional chat rooms. I mean I don’t need a recap when I show up at a party. I just jump in. I’ve never heard of a bouncer, but I think it would turn it into more of a feed than a conversation, which is the opposite of what I want.

I’m tired of feeds and timelines. AOL chat rooms were my formative internet years, and I liked that. I think the old style of internet communication is better than the feed silos we have now. Besides, I hardly ever go back and look at older convos in other spaces. I usually hit mark all as read when I open the app.

Problem is then you miss important info, for example if friends are talking about a game server they're running and post the connection details, or if they plan an event with a location and time to meet, if you don't have a bouncer and were offline then you can't see those messages.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago

The bouncer is just the name for the technology that maintains your connection when your client disconnects.

I'm kind of socially awkward, so I really value being able to "read the room" and see what people were talking about before I joined. I have IRC set up so that when I open it up, I see the previous 40 lines or so of dialog from before I connected. (This is a setting you can adjust on the bouncer).

I could achieve something similar by joining a room and then waiting a few minutes, but sometimes the room is very slow and no one posts, etc., it's nice to just always be able to look at the scroll back when you log on.

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[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

yup I went back to IRC. got tired of discord and matrix just wasn't for me. IRC is where it's add. still remember all the stuff from the 90s so it was just like riding a bike. plus I can have it in my Terminal which is a plus.

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[–] mat@linux.community 1 points 4 days ago

I did not enjoy finding out only at the end that the images in this blog post are generated/made using AI.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I've used matrix for a year now and it works, but it seems slow.

Lots of people tried to self-host it and reported it uses too much RAM for what it does. (It allegedly uses 1GB or more of ram even if it only has 1-2 users)

Efficient software is a must. Software must not waste resources simply because "they are there". That's my biggest gripe with matrix.

Disclaimer: i've not tried to host matrix myself, so i could be wrong here.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 7 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Its running about 1GB for me and my server setup. It spikes a bit if there is a lot going on, but it can get low than that when its just idling. Its not terrible, but given irc and other clients which take MB for RAM...its a bit of a hog-ish.

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

IRC is dead simple. You cant compare something like matrix to it in terms of resource usage thats not fair. 1GB of ram usage if fine for a server application that does messaging, pictures and video.

[–] szymon@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So we need to bring back IRC, if someone doesn't know how it works - well, I don't want to talk with such person. Bring back gatekeeping

[–] Auth@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

IRC doesnt fit the requirements though. I cant send pictures or videos, I cant make little icons to react, I cant quote reply, I dont get push notifications when pinged. You may think these arent nessesary but to majority of users they are and I dont think IRC is going to adapt to include them.

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[–] Shape4985@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Iv tried matrix a couple times. I wanted to like it but couldnt get on with it.

Signal and simplex are still my prefrence

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[–] szymon@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's マリウス.com but the "internationalized domain name" system pynycodes it to gibberish to prevent spoofing urls using lookalike characters.

Like https://xn--mzon-43db.com/ is аmаzon.com. Those are cyrillic lowercase 'а', not 'a'.

[EDIT] The blog itself actually has a great article explaining it.

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