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[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 91 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean the artisans who worked on the pyramids were payed quite well. They even got buried nearby when they eventually passed away.

And no, slaves were not the ones building a the pyramids.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

From what I have seen the newest consensus seems to be that they were essentially a massive jobs program.

[–] cattywampas@midwest.social 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is speculation but I'd bet there was some amount of less-than-voluntary aspect to the construction of at least some of the pyramids. As in "we'll pay you, but this is your job for the next 30 years while you're not harvesting."

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

to be fair, there was fuck all to do inbetween harvests. if someone came up to me as i'm bored out of my mind watching grains grow and said "hey wanna help build a huge fucking triangle? the pharaoh pays well" i'd say yes in a heartbeat. i doubt they had trouble finding workers

[–] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Should have just called it the pyramid scheme.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago
[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 80 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The ROI was eternal life

Do people just forget religion exists and believers take it fully seriously?

[–] pirateKaiser@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago

I honestly forget that frequently. My general attitude when any type of believer says something I consider obvious bullshit is to spend a couple of seconds thinking we're in on a pretend joke until it hits me.

In my experience the overwhelming maj{rity of believers don't. Theyll say they do and argue and gwt offended, bit its just an identity/social thing to them.

It's kinda sad,

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Somebody once advanced the theory that the pyramids may have been public works projects, to keep the whole economy from collapsing. The pharaohs had accumulated so much of the available wealth, they spent some of it to put people to work. I think that's an interesting speculation.

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

So trickle down eventually works. You just have to let them get to godhood first. Got it.

Capitalism probably

[–] user_name@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Workers were paid. More interesting to ask why they built the pyramids.

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

'Paid'. When some egyptaboo tells you that "there weren't slaves in Egypt at this time", remember the 'workers' were paid in housing, bread, and beer. And were kinda bound by their duty to the God-Pharaoh. Totally not slavery!

Tho now thinking of it it's not like my wage stretches farther than that either...

Edit: spelling and punctuation are hard.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

remember the 'workers' were paid in housing, bread, and beer.

That's more than many people will get today from a single job. 💀

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

🖐️Aliens🤚

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 weeks ago
[–] loomy@lemy.lol 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

tourtue: a more direct version of capitalism

[–] Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they were actually paid labourers, the slave thing is a victorian invention i believe

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[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago
[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

The ROI was outstanding if it facilitated their journey to a good afterlife well.

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago
[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It was a public works project, just like government jobs, infrastructure, and the military are for the US.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Motive was someone's huge fucking ego to be remembered forever.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Glory and worship is equally addictive as profit. The whole point was to have a badass setup in the afterlife. So you could consider this "profit"

[–] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's how the labour caste paid their taxes

[–] SippyCup 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In medieval times that's certainly true. Egyptian laborers were paid. Generally in food and housing, as coinage wouldn't be introduced for quite some time. Especially skilled laborers were sometimes given land. Egypt had a very routinized farming season and most laborers were farmers with nothing to farm in the off season.

Skilled stone masons could kinda go wherever so locking them in to work with taxes was a great way to get them to leave.

Fun fact, they had a daily meal of a particularly thick beer that had chunks of bread in it. And one time they went on strike when they ran out of wigs.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean the pyramids were wholly improductive multi-decade undertakings, so that's not making the point you think it's making.

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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In other words, capitalism is in no way necessary for human civilization.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Of course it's not necessary. The democracy +capitalism combo is just the least worst setup we figured out so far.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

The democracy +capitalism combo is just the least worst setup we figured out so far.

That's what the state propagandists tell us, anyway.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wasn't there some archeological evidence that many of the workers and their families were actually compensated?

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[–] Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's real estate. They were playing the long game

[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The profit motive was covered by the Pharaoh's exploitation of the entire nation of Egypt as his personal plantation and palace; each Pharaoh's Pyramid was the resulting useless passion project wasting all that accumulated profit. Albeit at reduced cost, considering the widespread use of corvee and legal limits on the ability of worker's to negotiate contracts with the agents of the Pharaoh compared to with non-government notables.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Ancient superyacht

[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Whips. Lots of whips and middle managers.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Were the Egyptian pyramids built by slaves?

The labourers would have been enticed by the mix of high-quality food and the opportunity to work on such a prestigious project. Today, many of the highly experienced archaeological workmen at the pyramids come from the same region, though they are paid in hard currency, rather than prime beef and accolades.

The Pharaohs were large plantation owners with enormous surplus foodstuffs, including livestock and garlic (which was highly prized for its medicinal value). And the workers were, in many ways, members of an enormous enthusiastic cult community that rewarded the construction of these mega-projects both economically and socially.

So, not all that far off from capitalism in the modern sense.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean at the same time

Ancient Egyptians were able to sell themselves and children into slavery in a form of bonded labor. Self-sale into servitude was not always a choice made by the individuals' free will, but rather a result of individuals who were unable to pay off their debts.[

Several departments in the Ancient Egyptian government were able to draft workers from the general population to work for the state with a corvée labor system. The laborers were conscripted for projects such as military expeditions, mining and quarrying, and construction projects for the state. These slaves were paid a wage, depending on their skill level and social status for their work

They used slaves for everything and paid them, so having a paid receipt is a weird distinction to try and make something less worse than it was.

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