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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT πŸ™ŒπŸ™Œ πŸ™Œ

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 18 points 1 week ago (9 children)

What about not having children?

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[–] nadram@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

True. Though maybe also activism until manufacturers are held accountable for their production methods and clean up costs. I do my share but I'm tired of being told it's on me. It's on corporate greed. Instead of spending on lobbying to avoid any changes to the status quo, they could spend much less coming up with different cleaner methods of production.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

It's fundamentally inefficient. The claims of "green" meat production are greenwashing from the industry. The industry would love for you to believe there is a way that they could clean it up. It takes growing tons of crops just for most of that energy to be lost by the creatures moving around, digesting, etc.

Plant-based foods have a significantly smaller footprint on the environment than animal-based foods. Even the least sustainable vegetables and cereals cause less environmental harm than the lowest impact meat and dairy products [9].

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/8/1614/html

Nor is something like grass-fed production a solution when that has even higher emissions due to higher rates of methane production from cows. It also is even higher land demand

We model a nationwide transition [in the US] from grain- to grass-finishing systems using demographics of present-day beef cattle. In order to produce the same quantity of beef as the present-day system, we find that a nationwide shift to exclusively grass-fed beef would require increasing the national cattle herd from 77 to 100 million cattle, an increase of 30%. We also find that the current pastureland grass resource can support only 27% of the current beef supply (27 million cattle), an amount 30% smaller than prior estimates

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If beef consumption is not reduced and is instead satisfied by greater imports of grass-fed beef, a switch to purely grass-fed systems would likely result in higher environmental costs, including higher overall methane emissions. Thus, only reductions in beef consumption can guarantee reductions in the environmental impact of US food systems.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aad401

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[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

Roughly true, but you're eliding a very, very problematic activity into "travel": aviation.

Per kilometer, flying is pretty carbon intensive (about the same as driving - basically: the extra efficiency of being packed into a tin can is offset by exponentially higher wind resistance at high speed). The problem is that airplanes allow you to burn up massive distances really quickly.

A single transatlantic flight will blow a ~~2-ton~~1-ton hole in your personal carbon footprint. That's 10-20% of an average European's annual footprint - or ~~100%~~ a very large chunk of a sustainable annual footprint. For anyone who flies more than once a year (i.e. likely a bunch of people here), cutting down on flying is likely to be the single biggest thing you can do for the climate.

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[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I get that individuals aren't the problem impact wise but couldn't it be the case that if the majority of people life a more sustainable life it will be easier to create laws that put stop the real poluters bc people are in support of such regulations?! If the majority of people think the existence of billionaires is immoral, it will be easier to tax the rich...

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[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

How much less red meat to offset all the private jet that flew to Venice for bezos’ wedding?

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 16 points 1 week ago

You're right, better do nothing.

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[–] johsny@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Sure. Imma keep using my jet though.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Also not having kids. Strange how that one is left out.

[–] Penny7@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Considering this is about food that humans eat it makes sense that they don't include children on this chart.

Unless you're living in a candy house in the middle of the woods, then yeah, you have a point.

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[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Not disagreeing that meat is bad for the environment, but I think not having kids is probably way above cutting out meat.

[–] dropped_packet@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Who looks at this world and wants to bring life into it? I fundamentally cannot wrap my head arround that.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (23 children)

Veganism is good, necessary even, but more than voting we need to actually overthrow capitalism and replace it with socialism. Profit will destroy the planet unless we take control of the reigns from capital.

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[–] Kyouki@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah let us do the microscopic differences while some industry totally ignores it...

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cute.
I'd be more interested in adding private and commercial airliners, long-haul trucks and tanker ships to the list for comparison.

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not eating red meat is so fucking easy now. If I can be an old man who went to school uphill in the snow both ways for a second, I dropped meat 20ish years ago in the US deep south, and holy fuck talk about an impossible diet. Even the vegetables had meat in them, and that is not a joke.

This is obviously going to depend on your area and how much of a food desert you’re in, but I’ve never seen so much access to so many kinds of meat replacements in average grocery stores and not just bougie upscale places. Tofu, tempeh, fake meat everything! Which isn’t even a big part of my diet, but I love having the option when I want something new.

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[–] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You are right of course, but β€žper kg productβ€œ is not a fair comparison when it comes to how the population is fed. Cheese (3000-4000kcal/kg) vs. milk (500. kcal/kg) is the best example for that.

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[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You can't survive around here (eastern Kentucky) without owning your own car. The nearest Walmart to me is a half hour drive at 60mph and we don't have taxis in any of the towns around me. That's 7 hours of walking, each way. No buses or trains either. The closest store of any kind to me is a Dollar General and is about 2 hours each way if I walk.

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Also it's morally the right thing to do if you have the choice.

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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I personally don't eat red meat, and I agree it's worse for climate change, but I've heard the argument that meat from larger animals is more ethical, because to get the same amount of meat from smaller animals means a much larger number of them have to die, and I'm not sure how to weigh that against the climate, assuming that someone isn't going to give up meat entirely.

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