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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT πŸ™ŒπŸ™Œ πŸ™Œ

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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I've been the bane of chickens all my life...

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 174 points 2 days ago (55 children)

This is true, and also not usually well taken by most people, even the ones claiming to be pro environment.

Wait until this thread gets full of people saying that their habits are irrelevant because companies pollute much more - which they do indeed, but that absolutely does not negate the many studies we have that calculate a major impact if we simply dropped red meat.

Which is again quite obvious if you think about the energetic demand of growing food only to feed an animal that then will become food, rather than skipping this step and eating the original food instead.

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[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Not loving that the exact source of the data in this graph is not clearly linked in the description.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago

Does the graph include how palm farms are built on precious forest land that has since been burned down? and that the land primarily being burnt is some of the most important land for storing carbon and providing oxygen?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 29 points 2 days ago (21 children)

That's almost certainly the biggest dietary change you can make.

But for overall impact, there's one winner and it's bigger than everything else put together.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children

Capitalism hates this one weird trick.

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[–] cheeseandkrakens@lemmy.blahaj.zone 115 points 2 days ago (13 children)

My single greatest contribution for the climate is not having children.

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[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Not disagreeing that meat is bad for the environment, but I think not having kids is probably way above cutting out meat.

[–] dropped_packet@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Who looks at this world and wants to bring life into it? I fundamentally cannot wrap my head arround that.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Yeah. Just had this convo with my partner two days ago.

Reasons why I don't want kids.

Number one, they can't consent to being born, If given the choice, I would not consent to being born right now, why should I force that on someone else.

Number two, we can't afford kids right now, even with both of us working full time jobs. (Not bragging, but both my partner and I make over the median household income for our area. I legit have no idea how other people do it, because we are paycheck to paycheck right now.)

Number three, even though abortion is legally protected in the constitution of my state, our legislators at the state and the federal levels are seeking to undo those protections against the will of the people. There is no guarantee that if we had a complicated pregnancy, that they would survive or even be able to find healthcare.

Number four, we are knowingly perpetuating an ongoing climate disaster. I can't in good faith bring someone into this world knowing that they will be displaced or die because the part of the planent they live on may become inhospitable due to our inaction.

Number five, we're seeing the rise of far right antagonist fascist movement worldwide. At this point a global war for basic human rights is inevitable, if not already started.

Number six, there are always hundreds of thousands of children stuck in the foster/adoption system who are destined to struggle for the rest of their lives because of a lack of family support. I would adopt long before I would consider bringing another person into this world.

Thanks for attending my doom rant.

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[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Until Exxon and BP are no longer in business and global shipping transitions to zero emissions, there is nothing an individual human can do that will have an impact in any way on global climate. They problem is systemic, not individual

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

perfect is the enemy of good.

I wish vegans and vegetarians would be a bit more willing to promote this viewpoint. It’s insane how many otherwise normal people will refuse a single meat-free meal for no reason other than identity politics.

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[–] poplargrove@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Mmm, close to 700 comments. Have fun yall.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago (23 children)

Veganism is good, necessary even, but more than voting we need to actually overthrow capitalism and replace it with socialism. Profit will destroy the planet unless we take control of the reigns from capital.

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Do billionaires count as red meat? I am asking for a friend.

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[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I get that individuals aren't the problem impact wise but couldn't it be the case that if the majority of people life a more sustainable life it will be easier to create laws that put stop the real poluters bc people are in support of such regulations?! If the majority of people think the existence of billionaires is immoral, it will be easier to tax the rich...

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[–] renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 82 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Here's the perspective that helped me the most with this:

You don't have to quit meat (sorry for the pun) cold turkey.

Even cutting your meat consumption by half can have a significant impact. Start by ordering a vegetarian option instead of meat every once in a while. Experiment and find veggie alternatives you actually like, there are tons of options now. I heard someone refer to this as "microdosing veganism", and it can really help make the change less exhausting.

Over time, you might even notice your tastes start to shift and vegan options become actually enjoyable instead of a "sacrifice".

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[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

You can't survive around here (eastern Kentucky) without owning your own car. The nearest Walmart to me is a half hour drive at 60mph and we don't have taxis in any of the towns around me. That's 7 hours of walking, each way. No buses or trains either. The closest store of any kind to me is a Dollar General and is about 2 hours each way if I walk.

[–] dropped_packet@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

A lot of the anti-car sentiment comes from urban, or European communities where population is a lot more dense.

Rural America will be the absolute lowest priority, because there are fewer people spread farther out. Anyone who wants to make someone feel bad about that is just a dick.

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