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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If 0.01% of people are nefarious, and they check 99.9% of the time, that’s still 1/10,000,000 chance a nefarious person gets through.

As long as they don’t do this often, doing that once probably has near zero impact on security.

(Please don’t pick apart the assumptions that nefarious people always get found by screening, or that the TSA works, that’s not the point I’m making — just trying to say a one off unpredictable dropping of guard doesn’t hugely benefit nefarious actors)

[–] dmention7@midwest.social 8 points 2 days ago

Regardless of the assumption of how many people are nefarious or how actually effective TSA is, your point stands.

If they screen normally 99% of the time, then the occasional relaxing of the checks just means that the effectiveness has gone from X to 0.99*X.

TSA is security theater, but this isn't the evidence of that.

[–] LorIps@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I mean one can argue that since nobody could foresee that security wouldn't be there for the flight nobody could plan around it.

"If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions."

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've had this happen a few times. It's such a relief when shit is jammed back to the walls. They did it at O'hare once, shit was crazy in there and they're all like, "just gtfo, don't blow anything up" everyone came stomping through the metal detectors. Not sure if it was related, but they had just sent sniffy dogs through the lines so maybe they planned it? I mean, I don't think the dogs can smell a knife, but I am not a dog, so I don't know for certain.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I don’t think the dogs can smell a knife,

perhaps an explosive knife!

but I am not a dog

I mean it's the internet, you could be deceiving us...

[–] cdf12345@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Happened to me at Ohare in May. They stopped the whole line for 10 minutes when they set it up.

They brought out portable, battery operated Milwaukee tools fans and a sniffing dog. They made people walk 2 at a time, through a glass walled walkway for about 50 ft and a tsa guy walked a dog behind you. Once you go through the tsa ID check the told us to leave shoes on and electronics in our bags. They still sent the bags through the X-ray though.

My brother in law flew out of St. Louis and described the exact same thing a week later. Weird.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

Damn that must be nice.

Passing through the New Orleans airport last time I went to visit my mom, I showed up 3 hours early to my flight and didn't even exit the security check line until an hour after my flight had already left. I was fucking livid. It took them four hours to pass maybe ~300 people through the check lines.

What did make me feel a little better though was going back to the ticket kiosks to complain about it and try to get a different flight, and like four other ticket takers within earshot of us heard me and all chimed in like "maaaan, FUCK New Orleans TSA" apparently they're demonstrably one of the worst in the continental US.

[–] atthecoast 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In Schiphol Airport at least you keep your shoes on (not boots, shoes), and electronics can stay in your bag. The bag goes through a kind of MRI and that’s enough for them to see the difference vs older x-ray equipment. Pretty convenient

[–] Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, but now we cannot bring our water anymore. Any idea why that changed?

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Security funding is just art funding filtered through fear.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Of course. How do you think it worked before Dubya’s jobs program went into effect?

[–] Matombo@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

DON'T SAY BOMB!

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The handful of times I have flown in the past two years, all the airports I've been at no longer require you to take out electronics or your toiletries bag.

[–] Kiernian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

In theory that means they have newer scanners.

I say in theory because for sanity's sake I hope that's the case, but I also know how they've historically worked thanks to the likes of Bruce Schneier.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I hate the TSA, and I strongly suspect they are largely a mirage, but I don't agree that this indicates they are admitting it's a mirage. It's almost never the purpose of any kind of inspection to have 100% coverage, just to shift the balance of probabilities as far as necessary until it's a deterrent. They could be shrugging and giving up in the face of a large number of people to process, but they could also just be making a well-informed trade-off.

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