Fun fact, in Europe you dont have to remove your shoes, yet noone has bombed any planes.

Ay least electronics in registered baggage is not a joke. Once we travelled with big group of scuba divers. And one diver had his torch in the cabin bag. It was wrapped into socks to prevent it from breaking. Some way the torch got turned on. (Scuba diving torches are really powerful, thus heat decently). As a result socks heated up and smoke appeared in the whole plane. Nobody had any idea where the smoke is coming from. The personnel was running back and forth trying to find where it comes from. Their arms were shaking. No result. Even though alcohol on board was only for extra charge, personnel started offering it for free to passengers (probably to calm them down).

Eventually one of scuba divers decided to check his cabin bag. After opening it the huge amount of smoke rushed out of the bag.

It ended up well. It's good that it wasn't in the baggage section of the plane, coz fire could have started in there.

So electronics in baggage prohibition is no joke.

America thrives off of marketing a sense of security. That's one of the ways they gain ownership of your soul and humanity.

I hear they are eating cats and dogs.

It also varies from airport to airport. I get frustrated when I travel because I always get yelled at by TSA agents for following the directions of the previous airport. Some places want all devices out. Some only want laptops. Some want the bag of travel liquids out in their gallon bag. Some allow you to leave them in. But they all act like I’m supposed to know what their particular rules are.

That's what nearly all the intrusion tests and studies have indicated. A big GOP created "make work" program of security theater.

https://www.vox.com/2016/5/17/11687014/tsa-against-airport-security

Years ago I had a short inter-country flight in the EU.

Forgot that I still had my swiss army knife in my jacket. Noticed before the scanners. Thought "fuck. oh well, worst case I'll leave it here".

The people at the scanners didn't say a word.

On the way back, I remembered the knife again. Again on front of the scanners.

This time they noticed.

"is that a pocket knife in the jacket?" "uh, damn. yes"

Guy checks out the knife. Hands it back to me "next time put it in the suitcase".

I put it into my jacket and get on the plane.

When we land, I grab my stuff, including the jacket from the overhead compartment.

Sometime taps me on my shoulder, I turn around and see a steward hand me my knife, grinning. It fell out of my jacket when I grabbed it

A former congressman owned a stake in the company that made the scanners. That's why you go through scanners.

Iif terrorists were actually that big of a threat they would simply blow up the massive security line out in front of security.

The job of the TSA is not to provide security. Their job is to provide the illusion of security. They are basically living tranquilizers for the public.

That's not dropping all the protocols, it's upgrading everyone to PreCheck

I'm old enough to remember flying before all that bullshit and we literally just pulled up to the plane on the tarmac and got on. You could arrive like ten minutes before takeoff. RETVRN

Having kids was that moment for me. Let me tell you: with children you are allowed to take as much liquid as you want through security. Even boiling water, to prepare formula 😂

I was like "WHAT? Why do you take it away for other passengers?" Just so they have to buy shitty, overpriced beverages, or what?

Shortly after the whole high-security thing started there was a UK military officer who had been in charge of counterterrorism somewhere like Belfast, who was an expert in homemade bombs. He said the whole three-ounces of liquid thing was complete bullshit. He knew the specific ingredients they were saying people could potentially mix to make explosives in an airplane restroom, and he said no, these substances would absolutely not blow up a plane or blow a hole in a plane. They had to be combined slowly and carefully, almost drop by drop, in a temperature-controlled vessel, or they would react too fast, creating a violent splash that would merely give the would-be terrorist serious chemical burns.

I used to work last mile logistics in a big city with an international airport. I lived there until my twenties and flew in and out many times before and after the TSA. I've seen the backend, where they have the robot explosive sniffer, and only witnessed them use it for one package I dropped off. It's all theatre.

I’ve forgotten a combination OC/CN spray (aka peppermace) in the bottom of a bag and been waved through. Complete clown shoes.

What if a terrorist organization just recruits a straight christian white dude. I doubt TSA would check him too closely.

I mean just let me wear my fucking belt. I can deal with a lot of indignity, but holding my fucking pants up in line is just insult to injury when you're passing me through mothingfucking millimeter wave.

I recently traveled through Europe, the Middle East and Australia. In the bottom of my carry-on bag I forgot about a 1 l plastic water bottle that was about 3/4 full. None of the security scans in Australia, Malaysia, Doha, or Montreal said anything about it. For the first two airports, I also had two 500 mL water bottles in side pockets. Again, no issues.