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My vote is golf for the former, and wrestling for the latter

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Golf is most reactionary in terms of real world effects and the damage it causes to environment and municipal layout

"Sport" Hunting is most reactionary in terms of ethos and aesthetics

Soccer is the most proletarian just by reality of numbers

Soccer is the most proletarian just by reality of numbers

Another important part of football is how simple it is and how little it takes, you go to any poor village in an African country and you will see kids with a ball kicking it to 2 rocks that represent a goal post, sometimes there's no ball sometimes it's just a bottle.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

I like the thorough response and reasoning o7

[–] someone@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sometimes I wonder if the most effective leadership-decapitation military strike possible on the United States would actually be a simultaneous bombing (genuinely hypothetically, I am NOT advocating for adventurism) of the top 100 most expensive country clubs at 3pm on a sunny summer Friday.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It would have a noticeable effect, but Golf Courses are so disgustedly bloated and sprawling that even heavy air strikes would have a high chance of missing without real time spotter intelligence (in a Tom Clancy novel of course)

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

Harrison Ford tried to 9/11 a golf course. Didn't work

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Frisbee golf is like golf but with all of the reactionary elements stripped away. Just set up baskets in any given nature area and play, foliage is a feature not a bug.

Conversely American Football is like rugby but with a whole host of reactionary elements tacked on. It's the sport with the highest commercials per minute for a reason.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'll keep saying this....the superbowl had a kanye ad with nazi shit on the shirt but Palestinian flag on a performance was the one that got panned. Hell kapernick kneeling got more heat than that

[–] ScreamingDanger@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

I'm a disc-golf enjoyer and we refer to it as The People's Golf.

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[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most prole = Soccer

Most reactionary = Also Soccer

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

Most reactionary is definitely polo, most proletarian is i think football but all professional leagues needs to be burned and remains reeducated (that goes for all big money sports though).

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago

Motorsports are the most reactionary even if just because of the high cost of even participating. Alternatively, golf, I suppose.

Football (soccer) is by far the most proletarian, even if commercialization has been very successful in the last 25 years.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Combat sports especially boxing=reactionary. Heavily nationalistic and racialised. And it showed the worst aspects from colored world championship due to color barrier that infected sports in general. Even today its more racialised than any other sport I know. You know how many dudes didn't fuck with ryan garcia or teofimo lopez until they went on racial tirades on black people? And the excuse is "oh thats just the way the sport is. Even boxing media doesn't admonish the racism shown because the media is also reactionary

Even the boxing styles are stereotypical do not get me started. Soviet style, mexican style etc. Even though all of said ones have different varieties of style within them its still racialised in a goofy way. Boxing media also contributes to it. If you gave this level of shallow analysis in most other sport (the ones not ruled by the good old boys club) you'd not only be laughed out people would look at you crazy.

Lets not even look at how badly the promoters rip off the fighters. Arum and don king? Shit go back to the days of the mobs running things you'll see how badly these guys got exploited. Several of them used by criminal elements as well to launder drugs etc through the fighters. Given the background of many fighters they may not be the most financially literate. Promoters take advantage of this and get them into contracts that favor their managers and promoters, leading to unfair financial arrangements.

And given how horrible boxing is for health these lot end up in a bad place when their careers are done. Hell career can be shortened by crazy stipulations like rehydration clauses among other things that put them at even bigger risk

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the analysis, I've never been a fan of combat (blood) sports, but every male friend I have watches or pretends to enjoy MMA 🤮

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[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Most proletarian sport?

ICE HOCKEY.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

train-shining LOKOMOTIV POSTING

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Reactionary: american football

Prole: soccer, especially HA HA HA HA RONALDINHO SOCCER

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Ronaldinho is a zio 😓 i found out the other day

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 days ago

most reactionary: am*rican football
most proletarian: soccer
i will not be taking questions at this time

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

MMA has to at least get a mention for most reactionary sport because of its current real-world intersection with the Trump admin, Saudi sports-washing, Ramzan Kadyrov, etc. Although obviously combat sports historically have a strong prole-streak, at least among the fighters themselves.

Otherwise most reactionary is probably e-sports (because gamers suck) or racing (with cars), since it seems to have a high concentration of rich people and inbred european royals.

Most proletarian is probably soccer, running, and maybe bocce for being so accessible.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

The amount of domestic abuse cases in MMA is crazy. It probably rivals police tbh

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[–] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The obvious answer is that sports are generally not characterisable as capitalist or proletarian on their own - you can imagine people whacking things around the land with a stick prior to the enclosure of the common land and subsequently formal development of golf.

That said, if you're providing universal access to F1 racing your society has hit FALGSC pretty hard

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

you can imagine people whacking things around the land with a stick prior to the enclosure of the common land and subsequently formal development of golf.

Not really? Having acres of land growing an unproductive crop like grass is immensely wasteful, and without being able to mow the grass that sport seems basically impossible anyway since animals aren't going to keep the grass short enough for golf and they'll shit all over. It certainly couldn't be more than a novelty, only possible under very specific circumstances.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

People have been playing games similar to modern golf since the iron age. The modern version uses a lot of landscaping because they're trying to recreate the golf that was played in Scotland in the middle ages, instead of adapting the sport to local conditions.

That's why frisbee golf is the modern proletarian take on the sport. No landscaping necessary, just put up some baskets in any given park and play.

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[–] Chana@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Riding bikes is most proletarian. Poor people transportation to work and requires industrialization, made of metal tubes and chains.

Most reactionary is modern golf. It is absurdly expensive on an ongoing basis and is all about weird Victorian ideas of landscaping and maintaining separation from the lower classes via literal gatekeepers.

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Hmm, not sure about bikes. Sure as a mode of cheap transport they’re very proletarian, but as a sport - it’s a rich man’s game - competitive road bikes cost (tens of) thousands.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

Some of the sport bikes I've seen are more expensive than cars

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

most proletarian: pancake eating contest followed by dizzy bat race

most reactionary: pickleball

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Pickleball is the exception that bucks the rule of 'minuature version of sport > big version'

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You just gotta go smaller - table tennis

[–] TommyBeans@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Pretty much any sport is going to run the gamut from reactionary to prole, no? Soccer is very prole, any group of folks can kick an improvised object around. On the other end you have fucking FIFA, the definition of reactionary.

[–] Keld@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago

Probably soccer on both.

Then Golf is the most reactionary, built as it is on exclusivity and environmental destruction.

[–] CarbonConscious@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Golf is the obvious answer for reactionary, but it seems like it could easily be prole? Like, the courses are there, it wouldn't be that hard to provide rental clubs for everyone, set up a system for fair tee times for everyone.

The time investment would be the only real blocker, but in a real DotP, that would hopefully be easier to make available for anyone that wants it.

But also, you know, astroturf the whole place or something. The environmental impact doesn't go away with equal distribution, but it might at least be a little more reasonable if it was something that was for everyone to enjoy.

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

astroturf the whole place

visible-disgust just use native flora!

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Most reactionary: Big game hunting or that thing where inbred *nglo nobles on horses hunt down foxes with dogs

Least reactionary: Probably football

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Track and Field is pretty prole. All you need is a pair of shoes and a place to go. I’ve seen people practice on a grass field with paint to mark the distances.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago

speaking as someone who used to run competitively, i don't think just running is gamey enough to meaningfully be a sport, hence "track and field" being grouped up.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Most reactionary= bean counting

Most proletarian= fart contest

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[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

I'm going to say polo or dressage as most reactionary.

I'd say running, or other track and field, as most proletarian.

[–] ComradeSpahija@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

polo is the most reactionary, and water polo I guess is less reactionary

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[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

Idk about most reactionary, but most proletarian has to be Futsal. Global south countries consistently make the top spots, and the pro players are some form of construction or industrial worker. And I've seen so many construction workers playing it on their break, with the goals made of a couple bricks.

[–] Mari@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Most reactionary is e-'sports', most proletarian is fetch

[–] kotak_doost@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Golf former, mini-golf latter.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

F1 and golf are hardly sports. I'll say polo and (association) football.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't think you can define a sport in any serious way that'd exclude either of those.

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