Europe had better figure that shit out. It's only gonna get worse without concrete steps to force an end to the conflict. They should vote on Ukraine EU entry and send in their own troops if affirmative.
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This flavor of candid admittance from a diplomat is not something I'm used to. I like it.
If this information is true and the Chinese officials weren't bullshitting, then leaking this doesn't sound like a good move on the European official end.
The whole world is terrorized by assholes
Out of all the reasons China needs Russia to win this is the most bullshit one they could serve us. They are sided with Putin, supply him with military equipment and help him get around sanctions for oil. They need Putin's war economy to work so they can replicate it in South East Asia obviously.
Doesn't their economy have a way bigger production capacity than Russia's? Why would they want to replicate Russia's? China seems much more successful at manufacturing at scale.
Taco Don already functionally stopped all aid and arms supply to Ukraine and trying his hardest to ignore Ukraine, and will probably chicken out from helping Taiwan defend itself too in case latter gets invaded.
So that's just China being asshole too and wanting Russia to succeed, because that'd mean you can take a dump on international laws and have benefits that outweigh repercussions.
If whatever remains of free democratic world won't get its shit together soon - we will just get picked apart eventually by those last iteration imperialists.
Yah, if anything, this is even more reason Russia must not win, it can cripple China too.
Until now, the fact that the rest of the civilised world would wreck their economy through sanctions has stopped them doing that.
Kallas, the person sitting across the table literally said a few months ago that the EU will turn on China after taking care of Russia. Wang Yi is just saying USA because the US is even more blatant. Why, if you were China would you let Russia lose if everyone on the other side of that table keeps saying they're going after you once Russia is done?
Because fucking human lives are at stake? Should the US have allowed the Japanese conquest of China to continue because they felt like it?
No one is "going after" China. They want to murder Taiwanese people and steal their land. Just like the Russians in Ukraine.
They arent wrong in the sense that we need something to occupy Trumps attention with that doesnt cause too much damage. Problem is, the Ukraine war causes a bunch of fucking damage...
People tend to forget how afraid China is of USA. Last time Trump was in office Milley had to call China a couple of times to tell them USA was not going to implode and attack China.
Someone has to make hard decisions when other people won't make sane decisions. No one wants Trump to start WW3 with China. No one.
Remember what just happened when China hit the off switch on rare earth metals?
Trump might want this
The deeper implications of this are... frightening, to say the least.
The US has been the biggest long term enemy to the working populations of the world since the end of the WWII, including its own. Throw a pin on the map, and you're likely to hit a place that's been affected by a war started or fought by the US, or a place where the US has had a hand in destroying worker power in order to for American business to extract resources and labour for cheap, or a sanctioned place where working people are made to suffer in order to overthrow their government, or a combination thereof.
Russia will not cut off China especially with the western sanctions. That would be russia cutting off their nose to spite their face.
It seems China is hoping to weaken us imperialism and it would make sense they would wanna see a Russian Victory. That directly weaken US force projection and put a us proxy on its backfoot.
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Lots of conjecture yet no sources China really wants the US stable. I really don't think so.
China wants USA stable and sane. Weak or strong USA isn't a priority right now.
Uh I don't think so. I think China wants to see the us position significantly weakened.
Why on earth do they want a stable Us?
They probably want a stable and declining US rather than a bunch of fascists crashing the world economy.
Given that China has the world's seconds largest economy and they are trying to break into all of the foreign markets the US is currently in I don't think they care.
I'm sure some of them care about their portfolio but that's going to look great under Trump.
I think for them if the US goes full fascist it's a win-win.
As long as we're focused on our own internal politics and not messing with China or trying to disable their economy I really really don't think they care.
Edit: Do you guys at least have a source on this claim that China wants a stable us?
But that's my point, if the US went full fascist, it would not stop and think only about its internal politics. Trump's stated goal is to pull the US out of all its entanglements and responsibilities and turn its full attention towards China and mess with it.
And I don't think Trump is good for portfolios either. It might be good for the portfolio of Trump and some other people, but even the average Wall Street guy is losing out. See TACO.
Right but they would still have time to respond on top of that it's not like the US is very close to China. And even if we did send her aircraft carriers in to go mess with China that would be a really hard fight for the United states. I don't think it would go well.
On top of the fact that China really wants the US position in the world to be weak. It would be very beneficial for China to be the strongest and take over that title because it sure as shit isn't going to Russia right now