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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I watched fight club for the first time in 10 years recently. I’ll tell you that movie hits different when you’re 20, 30 or 40. I remember in my 20s it all seemed so cool and badass, now that I’m 40 I see now that they’re a bunch of incel losers with toxic masculinity and a lack of self awareness.

[–] psion1369@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

The point was to not worship these people. The point was driven better in the book, the movie was more anti-capitalist than the book.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago

They are a bunch of losers, but their plights are very legitimate. That's how a charismatic cult leader swoops in and radicalises them.

We have a number of real world examples of that. The most current one being Andrew Tate.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Chuck P was a gay man. The movie takes the homoeroticism to levels that would have been laughable if Palahnuik had written them.

Why does the narrator ignore Marla? BECAUSE HES GAY

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 2 days ago (3 children)

"I haven't been fucked like that since grade school." blew my young mind, at the time.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago (3 children)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137523/trivia/?item=tr0755880

The original "pillow talk"-scene had Marla saying "I want to have your abortion". When this was objected to by Fox 2000 Pictures President of Production Laura Ziskin, David Fincher said he would change it on the proviso that the new line couldn't be cut. Ziskin agreed and Fincher wrote the replacement line, "I haven't been fucked like that since grade school". When Ziskin saw the new line, she was even more outraged and asked for the original line to be put back, but, as per their deal, Fincher refused.

Also, the actress didn't know grade school in the US is 6-12 years old as she is from outside the US. She didn't find out until afterwards and was very unhappy about saying it.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Fair point.

When I saw the flick, the internet was barely more than geocities & altavista, so 🤷🏼‍♂️

TMI: as someone who lost theirs at 12, I guess it resonated with me — but, I completely hear where she's coming from.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's 6 to 14 or so. First grade through eighth grade.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Kindergarten to 6th grade (12 yoa) in the majority of the US. 7th and 8th are middle school.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Middle school is also grade school.

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Generally not understood as such though. I would say common vernacular is more accurate to the intended meaning than the technical truth

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 2 hours ago

I guess it depends on your region because it was definitely considered grade school when/where I grew up.

[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I went to one school, K through 8. Called it grade school. But it was a private Lutheran church school.

I think it depends on if you are talking private or public schools.

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sure, but my point was general consensus. For the purposes of this discussion, I'll use the US. According to Pew (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/06/us-public-private-and-charter-schools-in-5-charts/) 83% of k-12 students went to public schools. Many of our parents couldn't afford to send it to private if they wanted to.

This of course varies by country, googling for a few countries (Japan, UK, Germany) actually all betrayed my expectations,with higher public school percentages for primary schools than the US. They generally do have different grade structures though. Edit: for those 3, primary/grade school went to 4th or 6th grade.

Personally elementary/grade school was up to 5th grade, 6-8th was middle, 9-12 high school. Technically I started school in Saint Vincent, in what I believe was a private school, but we moved back to the US when I was in 2nd grade going to third.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

She's not American. They use different terms for things around the world.

E: ducking autocorrupt

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

i mean why would she care what she said in character, it's not like it's her as an actor who said it

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Helena Bonham-Carter, being British, didn’t know that “grade school” was much younger than one would expect from such a line until after the film was released.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They kept it in because it isn't inaccurate. 🤢🥲

coughpriestsarentafraidcough

[–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (29 children)

I think the original line was:

"I want to have your abortion"

But it was cut because it was deemed to krass.

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[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nah, Marla was real. PM members physically brought her to Jack at the end. Even PM wouldn't be able to pull off bringing an alter ego to Jack, she must be real.

Also, in the film the thrift store cashier LOOKS at Marla during the conversation.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

She's probably real in the novel as well, but I don't think you can definitively say it's an impossible interpretation in either.

It's a bit more clear in the novel for a few reasons but you can still wave away a lot of the points against it simply by pointing to how extremely unreliable the Narrator is.

[–] notso@feddit.org 20 points 2 days ago

Marla... the little scratch on the roof of your mouth that would heal if only you could stop tonguing it, but you can't.

[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

It would funnier if he disappeared.

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