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How to say Marx was right without saying "Marx was right".

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Saying we have failed is the easiest thing to say.

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Doesn't mean it's not the truth.

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[–] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I try to stay postive but we're slowly burning and yet politics has never been so aggressively stupid about this. And the warlords dictating or culture too. I don't want this.

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the focus on politics, economics, and law are all destined to fail because they are based around humans. They’re designed to guide humans, but we’ve left out the foundation of our existence, which is nature, clean air, pure water, rich soil, food, and sunlight. That’s the foundation of the way we live and, when we construct legal, economic and political systems, they have to be built around protecting those very things, but they’re not.

Powerful truth!

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[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

David Suzuki sucks. Seen him at restaurants here in town before. Treats waitresses like shit.

[–] demerara@social.vivaldi.net 36 points 1 day ago

@asg101 I agree we've lost the opportunity and will have to "hunker down". But hearing it from David Suzuki is...hard.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Giving up is exactly where the "too late" come from, quitter shouldn't be leading climate advocacy.

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago

Lol yup, trump also went all in on climate denial. Definitely fucked.

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep, Trump just put all our climate mitigation funds into big oil. We’re cooked.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

And Trunp is bringing back coal too. Fucked doesn’t even describe it.

[–] mintiefresh@piefed.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

🔥🔥 This is fine 🔥🔥

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[–] WrathfulBirch@lemmy.cafe 14 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I gave up a long time ago. The last time we really did anything about an issue like this was lead in gasoline. 50+ years of knowing we had to change. I wonder if maybe the wealthy elites know whats coming. I wonder if this new rise in facism is partially an answer to the fact that there won't be enough of anything to go around. That is why they want us having babies. for soliders. I hope they have some spark of humanity and let people self terminate but I bet you would need money for it.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just wanted to add that maybe the last thing that we did for the environment and that really worked was for acid rain in 1991. At least where I live.

A few years before that there was the Montreal Protocol that banned CFCs and helped to heal the hole in the ozone layer. I think.

But yeah, I don't remember anything of the sort recently,

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Where I live people are replacing furnaces with heat pumps, if enough do it could make a minuscule effect.

[–] srecko@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

What about ozone layer?

[–] match@pawb.social 5 points 1 day ago

what possible reason could there be in self termination when there is a good fight to be fought (against the oppressors)

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[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

How to say Marx was right without saying "Marx was right".

Hard disagree, this is a liberal doing the usual thing. As John Bellamy Foster elaborates on in his articles and books, the fight against climate change isn't lost, it's been abandoned by the ruling class of imperial core countries. Look up some of his stuff on Monthly Review the ecological rift is a very important concept that never appears in the kind of discourse you're posting

[–] CatherineLily@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (12 children)

So, how long do we have left?

[–] asg101@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No one knows, many humans and other species are already dying from climate change today. Get used to hearing the phrase "It is happening much faster than expected." from now on.

[–] CatherineLily@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Guess people better start updating their plans then. No point in starting a family and having kids when they'll just die to climate change.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People are doing that. Fertility rates are way below replacement rates. Now billionaires are freaking out that their customer base and work force is shrinking.

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And the solution is of course outlawing abortions, instead of keeping the planet in a habitable state.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 points 1 day ago

Others have already tried banning abortions and it was a total failure, but ideology says it's a great idea so there they go again.

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[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I would say under ten years if we are talking about staying in "life as we know it." Global food supplies are at risk. We are going to see mass die offs in large portions of the ocean. AMOC and the Jet stream will continue to wobble around causing mayhem. Coastale areas will become eroded and huge portions of the infrastructure will become unfixable as the disasters come too frequently for any real, long term repairs to remain.

Think about that term, tipping piont. Tipping does not imply a gentle decent.

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

that's a loaded and optimistic question. With the way the world is going currently being taken out by climate change and only climate change is awfully optimistic. I think that would be the best case scenario at this point.

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