Whether it be electronics, automobiles or medical equipment, the manufacturers should not be able to horde “oem” parts, render your stuff useless if you repair it with aftermarket parts, or hide schematics of their products.
Summary video by Marques Brownlee
Great channel covering and advocating right to repair, Lewis Rossman
Having sold them in a previous life, marketing and hype.
We got a lot of people who would "upgrade" from a Miele vacuum because they wanted to stop buying bags, then see them a few months later buying bags for their Mieles.
Sorry to all the people who like them, but bagless vacuums leak sooner or later and say what you will about upright vacuums, you just can't reach as many spots as a low profile head on a pole.
what do you mean by
bagless vacuums leak sooner
leak dust? that's when you need to change the filters, which is also the case for vacuum with bags, for sure it's less often as the bag is the primary filter itself (after reading again I realised that you just said that...😅)
Even though vacuum with bags are easier to maintain, I still like my bag less vacuum (a corded one) because I don't have to think to buy bags
Iirc, dyson advertises their vacuums never need to change filters. But thats probably that break before you ever get to replacing a filter. Lol
There is some magnet or sensor in the filter and if they is some small misalignment it refuses to work, I’ve had to replace the filters on at least 2 Dysons because of this ‘feature’. I’m not sure what it achieves… other than ensuring you need to replace parts after you’ve cleaned it a few times and the fit gets sloppy.
Bagless vacuums have all sorts of low quality plastic pieces that junction together with equally low quality seals. Add enough dirt, and the only way to get it to seal like new is to take the whole thing apart and wash everything, replacing damaged parts as you go. At that point, it's more economical to just buy another vacuum.
Exactly what I meant, knowing how loathe people are to do routine maintenance let's be honest, most Dysons operate within their marketing specifications for a few months and after that they are on a downwards trajectory.
Miele is one of the brands I respect, mostly because of the way their products are tested. I remember a video from back in the day that showed a testing rig that essentially threw their test subject down a flight of stairs multiple times. Turns out there is a statistical average number of times a vacuum will fall down a flight of stairs and they test that their vacuums still function after exceeding that average.
Most of the seal doesn’t matter though because the whole thing is under vacuum, so unless it’s so bad you’ve lost suction, the seal doesn’t have to be that accurate.
Only the seal between the filter and blower motor is what actually matters.
The only thing I’ve noticed about Dysons (and not what the marketing says) is that their motors are very well designed and powerful, especially for the size. We’re using a 15 year old hand me down, but the one that my mom replaced it with is already in a land fill somewhere, she had a Meile for a month, returned it and ended up with a Shark I think.
I have a dyson ball. I litterally pulled it out of a dumpster and repaired it (the brush was competlety tangled up and caused the motor to freeze up). Works well enough and for free its decent. But the build quality is meh. So many plastic parts for places to be abused and no suprised are broke. At best its a $150 vaccum imo.
This is the only justifiable way to acquire a Dyson in 2025. I saved a friends vacuum from the bin by dismantling it and pulling a clog out of a pipe, so many I’m sure get thrown away because people just don’t maintain them and assume they are broken.
Same, I made a 3d print of the little wheels that keep the floor nozzle slightly elevated, Dyson wanted $23/each and it needed 2!
I feel like you’re my dad. But I guess he found the Dyson next to a trash can and not in a dumpster so maybe you’re my uncle.
I mean, that's survivor bias...
Lots of those had manufacturing faults 40 years ago. The ones still hanging around are the ones that didn't have flaws.
But for the Dyson, that's just how capitalism works.
The company has to always make percent profit increase, at a certain point you only get that by cutting manufacturing/materials.
Like, plenty of 20 years old Dyson's kicking around, but a brand new one is gonna be more likely to break because they're cutting more corners today.
You do have a point… but this Dyson is my ~5th I think in the last 20 years, I think the motor went on my first one, then the on button/control board failed on the next, after we are into the battery era and I still have them but they are now ‘garage vacuums’ where genuine batteries are no longer available but they share a cheap eBay battery which needs replacing again.
Thinking back I think I needed to replace a roller belt on the Sebo about 15 years ago, for around £2 from a shop in town. Given the vacuum was probably 25 years old at that point impressive the parts are available and so cheap.
That's a bit on you, after your third why did you keep going? I've got the same Dyson I've had for 15 years, the plastic is definitely getting fragile. I won't buy another when this one goes.
That is a fair assumption but I only bought the first two… the other three were “joint” purchases, where I came home to a new vacuum, and phrases like, “I can’t carry the old one up the stairs”, “we needed a new one, and this is purple!”, “the old one doesn’t get the dog hair up properly, and this one has an Animal head” etc.
That totally makes a huge difference....I was really disappointing thinking...."man my plastic is brittle, but now they break every 8 months."
I mean that's still on you for not establishing never buying a Dyson again. I always talk about this stuff with family/friends at some point when I get frustrated with current tools. Surely there's better out there, and someone knows about it.
I'd never buy one because they're exorbitant, and I can tell from touching one the plastic is brittle (and clear plastics seem to always be less flexible than colored plastics).
The price alone is insane. $500 for a vacuum? I can buy five of my current vac for that price. There's no way it works 5 times better, it's a vacuum.
The Dyson is just the 21st century equivalent of the Rainbow from the 1970's. (Wow, apparently people are still sucker's for the Rainbow).
That’s fair, I’ve told her now… no more surprise Dysons. Just thinking though for the ~£500 a new one would cost I could buy a lathe, and enough tooling, titanium, glass Fiber reinforced plastic etc to remake every failure prone component.
It's literally just Apple.
They're expensive because hype. At some point they used to be the bleeding edge of cordless and bagless, they did come up first with some useful designs, they did clever marketing, and this set them up in the consumer's minds as "must be top".
Quality wise they're not bad in my experience but their price is absolutely overblown. You can get equal or better for a third of the price.
Also another thing I've noticed is that people who use clumping cat litter of any kind for their cats always have shit vacuums, no matter what brand. That type of litter will destroy them guaranteed. You need to clean the filters way more frequently and even then they're never working right. I'm not saying that's your case but if you do, just bear in mind.
It was bleeding edge, because they break or just don’t work as advertised.
Heh I think they used to be better quality before. Most houses with a Dyson Ball I've been to still has it working, nobody mentions repairs. I still wouldn't buy one though.
Dyson?
All hype, very little build quality
I have an older Dyson stick vacuum that works perfectly fine. The batteries for it are reasonable in the aftermarket, but I got an adapter that lets me use Milwaukee batteries and I have plenty of those. I have only had to replace the catch for the canister. I got it for $20 at Goodwill.
My mother has a Dyson from like 20 years ago that needed like $80 in parts to fix to make it just like new. It just needed the canister latch, after being dropped down stairs, as well as the main hose and the secondary hose.
Are they good vacuums? yes.
Are they bulletproof? No.
Are they reasonable to repair? Mostly, but major parts are expensive, but we are talking about a $$$$ vacuum.
They aren't a Kirby, but they don't cost Kirby money, especially if you buy a Dyson second hand and do a bit of maintenance. For US people, shopgoodwill.com has Dyson's for sale second hand for cheap, like $50 for a stick and under $100 for an upright.