Don't forget the wifi not connecting or staying connected, keeping it from getting updates for reasons mortals aren't supposed to know.
this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2025
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Why in God's name would you connect it to WiFi?
- It can tell you it's done, so you notice the notification after a couple hours instead of finding musky clothes a day or two later
- It can tell you it's time to do the self-cleaning cycle
- If you're doing something unusual, like washing reusable diapers which need extra rinse cycles, you can upload a custom program for that to the washer
- Even more unusual, someone had stacked units and was too short to reach the buttons on the washer, so they liked to start it via the app instead of getting a stool
Most of this can be achieved in other ways (like a smart plug measuring the current draw and a simple monthly reminder), but non-techies want turnkey solutions.
I can't see any reason to have WiFi on your dryer, though.
All the things that you mentioned are already possible and have been since a decade or before.
- It can tell you it's done, so you notice the notification after a couple hours instead of finding musky clothes a day or two later
There's an estimate and a timer and the machine let's you know when its done. This is a 2014 model to say the age.
- It can tell you it's time to do the self-cleaning cycle
This is also something that is already automated and the machine does itself and can do manually if you ask.
- If you're doing something unusual, like washing reusable diapers which need extra rinse cycles, you can upload a custom program for that to the washer
You can add extra Rinse cycles for specific clothes and have custom programs too.
- Even more unusual, someone had stacked units and was too short to reach the buttons on the washer, so they liked to start it via the app instead of getting a stool
The controls being an inconvenience I can give you that. But, barring that its not stone age you would think it to be.
Fully automatic machines without WiFi work fine and don't need any software updates to begin with.
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I bought a new washing machine last year that has no WiFi, if you don't want to you don't have to buy shit like that
I remember a guy actually monitoring how much data his washing machine used and it was like 6 gigs a month. Is it mining bit coin???
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I'm so thankful my house came with a super old washer and dryer. They work so well. I had to replace the one vent hose thing for the dryer, but that's because my cat thought she could sit on it and it ripped out of the wall when she landed on it.
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Requires wifi. Sends gigs of data back to the manufacturer everyday. But it has pretty chime.
I believe this because I had an old microwave from the 80s not a single issue, bought a new one the light went after a few weeks lol
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We have a Miele we bought 13 years ago and which has far outlived the projected amount of washing cycles. I had to replace the water splitter, but apart from that it's still running fine. I heard that more recent Miele machines don't last as long, though.
Lol sadly. The long life is a loss business. People only buy a new one as soon as the old one is scrap. Once the market is served, the problem of longevity arises and therefore no revenue. That's why a lot of money has been invested in predetermined breaking points, which are usually designed for shortly after the warranty. (A lot of money, because it has to be achieved by material weakness or something else that cannot be proven. ) This means that there are always customers and therefore revenue. It's stupid but unfortunately it has to be that way. In many other areas too.
I'm not sure Miele is struggling that much, was a few years ago now but I remember a sales rep telling me the story of the annoyed German executive who "was unhappy" with a division of Miele as they had run out of room and had to "off shore" a factory to keep up with demand. The new factory was in Austria.
I am a huge advocate for them, back when I sold white goods and small appliances they often had really solid products and they maintained their "prestige brand" status by testing their products to an extent I haven't seen many other brands bragging about.
Usually we sold to new customers on word of mouth from existing, and existing customers who wanted to scale up or down as family requirements changed.
Well, these predetermined breaking points can be found in all appliances. However, this is nothing new. The current problems at Miele are for other reasons. For example, pushing prices down as far as possible during production.
Wave of layoffs
It is questionable to what extent the wave of redundancies will take place
Well
as many have already left as a result.
Another reason...
After Germany had managed to turn "Made in Germany" into something positive, things went downhill again. Since many work steps are carried out in China or elsewhere and only the final work steps are carried out in Germany... Just enough to allow the label to be used legally.
Our legislators should have done more. Why should you pay more for alleged German quality when most of it is not German quality?
Huh, the more you know. It was some time back that I was selling them, a depressingly long time ago now I guess. It's a shame they have bowed to economic circumstances, the article I just read (which was translated so nuance may have been lost) makes it sound like they fell into the pandemic trap of scaling to meet demand during an unforseen boom and then couldn't justify the size and scope of the workforce once that demand rationalised.
My family recently purchased a Bosch front load washing machine (autodose 1 button operation and teenagers is a match made in heaven) and they have 3 series available, 2 are manufactured in China, the other is manufactured in Spain. I had several retailers tell me to steer clear of the Spanish product, it carried a higher price tag than the Chinese lines and had a higher fault and return rate. We have been happy with ours so far but time will tell.
One way or another, the pandemic has put a lot of things in extreme disarray here and politicians are helping to destroy our industry because lobbying and their own pockets full of money are more important... the pandemic in particular has revealed the worst corruption among our politicians. Von der Leyen... the same at European level and now is the time when she has to face up. But it will come to nothing otherwise she wouldn't have been re-elected...
As far as quality is concerned... Well, the West (not just Germany) has outsourced a lot to China. Many people still make fun of the fact that the Chinese only copy and produce poor quality. But that has not been the case for a long time. They have left the West behind in many areas (even if there is still a lot of crap from China, of course). You can't keep up with China, especially when it comes to prices. But well, you can get very good or better quality from China.
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I just had to get the fridge-freezer in my apartment replaced because the freezer started growing ice everywhere like that was its job, nothing I did helped. When the landlord came to take a look he was surprised by how old the one I had was, he looked it up and it's been here since 1993. I've lived here since 2016, and it worked perfectly until a couple of months ago. While the new fridge-freezer combo (one of those that's half fridge, half freezer on top of each other, same as the old one) is much better in many ways, it's obvious it won't survive for even 1/3rd of the time that the old one did. The one thing that annoys me is that my fridge magnets can't hold themselves up on the new doors because the metal is too thin, they just slide down to the bottom edges.
This has literally been me over the last 3 years. Started making decent money so figured we would replace our old faithful washer and dryer, mostly due to growing family and needing bigger capacity. Fuck Samsung. Washer shit out 2 months outside warranty, and would have cost the price of the washer to fix it. The 'auto balancing system' is fucking bullshit. I don't care if my washer bounces around because the load is unbalanced. My parents' washer could be as unbalanced as shit and didn't matter because the whole bin had supports to the frame of the washer. Was it loud if it was an unbalanced load? Fuck yeah. But you could simply rebalance yourself, and continue if you really wanted to. Not necessary though. It would finish washing if it had power, and no force could stop it.
I personally used the same washing machine from the time I was 13 until I was 36.
Been through some dryers though, and the old washer gave out a few years ago. I probably could have repaired it but I couldn’t find the time.
Your appliances and devices will all be enshittified and you will be happy.
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My apartment expects me to pay to use their machines, but they don't fucking clean them. Most of the time, my clothes come out looking and smelling worse than when they went in!