Whaaaaat...?
The party who put a coal lobbyist in charge of the EPA for Trump's entire previous term did this...?
Nooooo.
/sarcasm
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This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Oh, no doubt, but a worse foe lurks! Some people voted for Donald Trump.
Protest non-voters accounted for maybe 800k, while RFK accounted for 1.3m.
But sure, let's keep blaming voters instead of the Democrats that chose to represent Republican Lite™.
Republican lite at this moment sounds a lot more refreshing than Republican nazi
No shit. Trump whispered sweet nothings to those outside his MAGAt base by appealing to affordability and peace. Since then, he's followed through on exactly none of that.
In the past, people like Obama at least lied to Americans about what they would deliver as president, while shortly thereafter doing the same as Trump. Democrats in 2024 couldn't even lie their faces off by speaking to the same points as Trump. Well, Kamala did after first when she brought Walz on board, but that quickly changed come the DNC where she said she wouldn't diverge one bit from Biden.
I'm informing protest-non-voters what they actually voted for.
Ok, so protest non-voters accounted for 800k of the non-voting population in 2024.
Want to know how many didn't vote not because of protesting?
About 36% of eligible Americans didn't vote either D, R, or 3rd party in 2024. That's about 120 million Americans. 800k is less than 1% of 120mn.
You know these numbers, and you're still telling me that the protest non-voters were the issue: not that Democrats lost 8 million voters between 2020 and 2024?
Why do you think Democrats both failed to capture more voters despite the eligible voting population increasing from 2020 to 2024, and hemorrhaged their already existing base?
I'll wait for you to draw the conclusion that best suits your liberal comforts.
How do you know how many people who didn't vote did so because of protest?
6 MILLION MORE PEOPLE voted for Biden than Harris. That's a lot of people who just magically disappeared for reasons other than protest by your count. They weren't just undecided swing voters, either, because Trump's votes barely changed at all between 2020 and 2024.
You sure are assigning a lot of stuff to me. I am informing protest non-voters what they actually voted for.
Protest non-voters, if all aligning with Kamala, would not have made a difference in the 2024 election.
You informing them does as much good as informing the entire eligible non-voting population. 800k vs 120mn.
There is no need to draw attention to their movement here unless you also take issue with the larger voting block.
Boy more. Don't worry I'm informing protest-non-voters what they voted for for another 3.5 years. Ciao.
I totally feel this frustration, and I'm not US so it's kinda not my business, but I don't buy this argument.
Trump America is a horror show, for sure. But the status quo before Trump is also the foundations that allowed America to become a new facist state. Any real solutions need to be bigger than what middle of the road Democrats are offering.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't vote against Trump. But the system is clearly broken, stop blaming victims of it, and start blaming its perpetrators.
Status quo of Biden implementing Green energy, EVs, build back better, PACT act, chips act, student debt relief, Obama's healthcare. And you're equating this to .... status quo.... , and .... a foundation of a fascist state. ........
Biden's "green" Infrastructure Plan is increasing carbon emissions though.
Green energy and infrastructure are two separate things. That you have to hammer them together to make a bad faith argument is telling.
In addition, it could potentially even undo some of the emissions reductions
Could. Potentially. And if you read how they did their figuring yeah it's no surprise they keep inserting words like "could". Then certain people read it and think that means "is".
But in any case green energy and infrastructure are two separate things.
And back to this post, what's Trump doing? Line item is Zero.
I'm 100% not equating Biden with Trump. I'm not trying to deny the comolete horror Trump is afflicting of US and non-US citizens right now.
I'm just saying, he's a symptom of a broken system. America will only come out of this situation if it recognises that it needs to make real and lasting change.
The non voters might not help, but they're at least acknowledging this reality. And putting them in the same camp as literal facists is not helping anyone.
I'm not saying that you're equating Biden with Trump. I listing off all the accomplishments of the Dems that you are bizarrely trying to call status quo and whatever gymnastics to cram it into "foundations of fascism" something system.
And you are continuing to try to do this. The Dems were making "real" changes to improve society. But you're still trying whatever this mental gymnastics is.
Ha ha but You voted for Genocide!
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So did the protest non-voters, even moreso than the Democrat ones.
The non-genocide position was literally impossible to express no matter what you tried to do.
No it existed. Harris is on record saying she'd like to work towards peace talks.
Which is objectively better than option B: vote GOP "finish them off" and option C: literally doing nothing.
Okay, fine: to the extent that a non-genocide position existed, Harris was it.
But the real point is that even if a person disagrees with you about that, they still should've voted for Harris. She was at least objectively not more genocidal than Trump, and infinitely better on basically every other issue.
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But at least we didn't help hurrying along the most recent great extinction!
I wonder if anything we built will last for the next sentient species that arises.
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