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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I don't understand what people aren't getting here.

The last two female candidates to run for president, who were extraordinarily more qualified than their opponent, were denied in favor of a felon rapist clown.

If that isn't proof that this nation is not ready for a female president, I don't know what is.

I voted for both those female candidates. I am not against a female president. But can we exist in reality for a moment and acknowledge that if we run AOC, we're going to lose, again? Because America isn't ready for that shit. You will not capture independents with a female candidate. You will not capture disenfranchised Trump supporters with a female candidate. You will not win. A mayoral race is not the same as a presidential race and Mamdani is a man and that's the country we live in.

Edit: Scroll through this comments section. This is a liberal sub. And even here it's 50/50 about AOC running for president. She won't win guys.

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

It’s a sad but proven truth that the USA is not ready for a woman president.

I voted for both Hillary and Kamala. But I’m open minded. Too many Americans simply are not.

There is a clear prevailing consensus in the USA (not a correct or good consensus, but nevertheless it’s here) that woman should not be leaders. Even a large percentage of women believe in this.

We NEED to change the consensus. How do we change the consensus? It’s clear that pushing the envelope by making a woman the presidential candidate has not worked. The patriarchal front is dug in too deeply for such a frontal assault.

I believe the first woman president of the USA will be a woman VP who takes over after the president is removed, for whatever reason. A “side door” approach.

I could be wrong. I hope I’m wrong. But I think AOC running for the presidency will put another Republican in the White House.

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip -2 points 6 days ago (3 children)

AOC with Harris for VP and Sanders for Dept. of Health.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I will be a touch disappointed if there is still a us in 2028.

I don't think that the us is worth saving at this point.

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[–] Jolly_Platypus@lemmy.world 116 points 1 week ago (32 children)

I love AOC, but she will lose.

The American people have shown that they would rather have a convicted felon, rapist, fascist pedophile than a highly qualified woman.

It's stupid, but it's reality.

A woman candidate is a non starter.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -2 points 6 days ago

You are correct.

Anyone downvoting you is just ignoring reality.

There's a reason Trump has run 3 times and only lost once and it was to a man. A significant portion of this country in the right geographical areas will never vote for a woman to be president. And that includes a ton of women. And half of the country wants to burn AOC at the stake for being too liberal.

She can't win the Electoral College.

You want to get Bernied again? Vote for AOC.

[–] teolan@lemmy.world 138 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Unlike Kamala and Clinton she actually believes in something, and not just the Dems' very rich corporate donors.

look at Zohran Mamdani in New York. He's a Muslim, foreign born, socialist. Plenty of things that by the same logic would make him loose. But he won the primary and odds are he'll Winn the mayor position.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Unlike Kamala and Clinton she actually believes in something, and not just the Dems’ very rich corporate donors.

And that is why she will fail.

Welcome to reality. Welcome to America.

We chose a felon rapist traitor over highly qualified women...twice. And those women were more qualified than AOC and more moderate. The further left AOC goes, the more voters she loses.

She won't win.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago

He won with 48% of the 15% most involved DNC voters who took time to participate in primaries, in New York City, and he still has to win the generals next.

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works -4 points 6 days ago

It does not matter enough. Too many bigots in the conservative dem voter base.

They will vote black, Muslim, Asian, so long as it's not a woman.

Sad state of the American psyche.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

NYC does not extrapolate out to the US, or things would look very different these days.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (14 children)

The issue is we've never actually tried to run a populist left candidate. So everyone saying, "it'll never work!" have no real bases for that statement. (the closest we've ever been was Sanders, and the DNC ensured that he was not going to be on the ballot.)

A TRUE LEFT POPULIST WILL WIN! in my opinion

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

(the closest we’ve ever been was Sanders, and the DNC ensured that he was not going to be on the ballot.)

Ah, yes, when the DNC forged millions of votes to make Sanders lose. Twice.

Fuck's sake. Show up for the primaries next time, goddamn you.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 88 points 1 week ago (6 children)

you guys need ranked choice. I'd bet on most red voters not ranking multiple and just putting their evil fucker pick as #1. then you need more than one non evil candidate.

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[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 76 points 1 week ago (4 children)

She should absolutely run. I don't know if she should win the nomination, but running brings a voice to the wing of the party she represents.

Primaries are about coalition building. And to have your ideas represented by the eventual candidate you need a champion to promote them in the process.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (6 children)

As a non-American, electing AOC as president would be the way to speed run the repair of America's reputation internationally.

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