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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I own you!
take ownership & full access of all resources
threat actor exploits a vulnerable application that is (1) running as you to (2) access resources it doesn't need: they commandeer your system

how did that happen?

πŸ€”

[–] Vari@lemm.ee 14 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Me trying to uninstall edge

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I don't know what's the hate with edge, it works wonderfully for an average user, it's fully configurable with add-ons and handles security policies really well

The AI integration might be a bit over the top but nothing you can't disable in your side

Really I don't see why you guys pile on so much on it

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

Edge is a fine browser. I use it when Firefox isn't working for a particular reason.

[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Edge is the best browser for downloading much better browsers lol

[–] amorangi@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 hour ago

Edge is literally the first program I use on a fresh install.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I have Windows 10 Pro. I can alter the permissions for anything. If I wanted to, I could delete System32 and fuck the whole thing up.

[–] b000rg@midwest.social 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Can you delete Xbox games installed by another administrator? I ran into that problem a few years ago because I reinstalled W10 and had it keep "personal files" which apparently included my Xbox games. I couldn't touch them at all, but I had W10 Home. I wonder if my problem could've been mitigated more easily than a full wipe of the drive? πŸ€”

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure I can. It just takes a little more effort actually going into the permissions tab of the files because Windows doesn't have an equivalent to CHMOD AFAIK.

Though, I am pretty sure you can do those basic permission options without Pro or Enterprise. You just need to be on an administrator account. Other things, like messing with actual system files, requires the Group Policy Editor.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

On any Windows system based on the NT kernel (XP+), there's an additional access level above "Administrator": NT Authority\SYSTEM. Some malware can make files hidden or write protected even to Administrator, and afaik there isn't a legitimate way to obtain that authority

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 hour ago

I do see the system level authority in the permissions tab; but IDK if that's just because I am on pro or not πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

When I want to end myself

My Body: Survival_Instincts.exe has activated

You don't even own your body lol

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

We are not root of our own minds

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

Nah removed; root owns me.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago

My work laptop had a pop-up from an application that basically said "we couldn't restart last time, so you e got 15 minutes until we reboot your computer" with no way to cancel or prevent the reboot.

Me: the fuck you are

* proceeds to kill the service and process from admin command line*

Get fucked fortinet, I'll reboot when I'm gods damned ready

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

had a friend that was having problems with his PC and windows kept bitching about he didn't have permissions. he ripped out the harddrive with it still powered on and threw it off his balcony into the lake screaming, "I fucking own you!"

epic moment in my life to witness such an event.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 12 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

no but he had a second drive and installed xp on it.

vista was at the bottom of the lake.

goes to show how old the story is lol.

[–] Etienne_Dahu@jlai.lu 2 points 1 hour ago

In a way, percussive maintenance was successful.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No, but this time the owner knows why it doesn't work. Big difference in IT.

[–] gndagreborn@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Visual representation of the first time I ever saw "owner: nobody"

[–] spicytuna62@lemmy.world 78 points 10 hours ago
[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

Wrong root password, this incident will be reported

[–] panicnow@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Is this why people run Arch instead or atomic linux distros?

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[–] Szewek@lemm.ee 22 points 9 hours ago
[–] pipe01@programming.dev 62 points 11 hours ago (4 children)
[–] kn33@lemmy.world 36 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (10 children)

Not necessarily. Linux can have files that are r---r---r--- too

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

It is also possible to make a file "immutable" such that even sudo rm -f will fail

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 30 points 10 hours ago
[–] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 8 hours ago

Ah ah ah! You didn’t say the magic word!

sudo edit the file!

…

Ah ah ah! You didn’t say the secret word right after!

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Think about this: let’s say you run a program. Do you want that program to be able to take over the computer and read all your files from now on and send the data to a remote third party?

Probably not.

Permissions were created to stop programs from doing that. By running most software without admin permissions you limit the scope of the damage the software can cause. Software you trust even less should be run with even fewer permissions than a normal user account.

The system is imperfect though. A capability-based system is better. It allows the user to control which specific features of the operating system a running program is allowed to access. For example, a program may request access to location services in order to access your GPS coordinates. You can deny this to prevent the program from tracking you without otherwise preventing the software from running.

[–] dbx12@programming.dev 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You forgot the fact that there might be other people using the same computer and they shouldn't be able to access the others files.

No I didn’t. Most computers on the planet (phones, tablets, laptops) have only 1 user. The whole multi-user system isn’t obviously useful for these computers.

Everyone knows that multiple user accounts need permissions to prevent users from accessing each other’s files. I didn’t bring it up because it was too obvious.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 20 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

One time Windows told me I needed admin privileges to edit s file. I had admin privileges.

Just because you have admin rights doesn't mean the process you've invoked does. Unless you specifically elevate it or the process asks to elevate, it'll run unprivileged.

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[–] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

"takeown /f c: icacls c:" changed my life. Windows literally has trusted installer listed as owning most of your hard drive on every fresh install, but that is negotiable. at least for the stuff you need.

[–] GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 28 points 11 hours ago (11 children)

If you're on windows this means you don't own the file. Go to properties security and take ownership.

The default windows configuration is aimed at old people who will call tech support when they fuck up their PC.

You can take ownership of pretty much the entire filesystem.

Windows is actually hugely customizable people just don't.

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

In the basic case you go to settings and change permissions.

In the more typical case for os modifications, you go to that tab, open advanced properties, change the owner account by typing in "everyone" or your account name by hand, saving, closing reopening the advanced security settings, probably disable inheritance then create a new permission entry.

In the most extreme case, where you change files belonging to something critical like windows defender or edge, you can't.
The only way I am aware of is booting into an older windows install iso, or a live linux iso, then performing the modifications there.

Disclaimer: I have not done this on windows 11 yet, but I can't imagine the process got simplified.

Windows has a lot of systems that allow some more complicated modifications. Those are often unnecessarily obfuscated, the registry for example doesn't have to be a weird custom database, it could have been part of the filesystem or at least a more standard database format. Windows will sometimes bite you with weird sketchy systems breaking expectations, and this tends to become inevitable when you try to change stuff Microsoft has decided to remove consumer choice on.
If Edge and the account push were as easy to avoid as learning how to take basic file ownership, we might not be where we are now (i.e. on Linux).

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 hours ago

Except when you want to customize it to stop it from updating against your will. Then fuck you, secret code to change your settings and settings that simply do nothing.

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