Yep. The astroturfing and hive mind made it easy to leave after the API debacle. Any modestly large sub pretty much made outside opinion not worth sharing. Smaller subs were still mostly ok, but even those were being overrun with reposts or people skirting the purpose of the sub trying to get karma. You couldn’t have discussions anymore, it was people posting for karma and people responding in ways to hop on karma coattails.
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Amusingly enough, brazen astroturfing (especially in political subs) was one of the main reasons I was looking for an alternative to Reddit and found Lemmy. Two years ago.
And it's certainly only gotten worse since.
SAME. I had been very sick and off social media during the whole exodus, so had no clue about the lemmyverse, but going back to reddit the astroturfing was sooo bad, I just had to look for alternatives.
Same story. One year ago. That and stopping drinking are some of the best choices I've made in a long time.
I still use reddit occasionally for its smallest communities where I know I'm still interacting with humans. I assume the top posts are all bot posts with bots flaming bots in the comments. Everyone's time is worth more than that.
Bring back the enthusiast forums that were supported by calendar and sticker sales, we didn’t know how good we had it.
I'll only search up reddit posts on Google, and it's almost always about a movie/show or a game I'm currently playing or looking to play.
Yes it takes very little searching to find this shit on reddit.
But - and I'll probably get tons of downvotes, but still: the Fediverse is not safe from this.
edit: considering our APIs are free & open it could even be easier, esp. if you don't want to leave a money trail
edit2: I definitely don't mean to diss the Fediverse in any way! It stands sky high against walled-in platforms. Just stay vigilant and real. This is not paradise.
It really isn't, even on my instance used by like... 3 or 4 actual people so far, I have had more than enough spam accounts - and those were relatively harmless. Support the server admins and mods of the servers you are on/communities you are in, if able, they are the ones who are engaged in cleaning up incursions like it. Oh, and report things.
For what it's worth, I do believe the Fediverse has higher resilience, thanks to a different culture, decentralised nature (with helpful platforms like Fediseer) and a lack of the "we just need numbers as big as possible for our investors to be satisfied"-incentive to tolerate anything that looks like engagement.
Nothing can be prevented entirely online, but empowering users with the tools to choose their own experience and tailor their feed with the communities and users they choose themselves is a giant step in the right direction.
Reddit chose the path of consolidation and central control, and the results were inevitable.
Its easier to spot here, and since we're split up into small severs, its easier to moderate.
Its easier to spot here
It's super easy to spot on reddit. Even easier than that?
There clearly aren't that many bots (of all kinds, incl. humanoid) in the Lemmyverse (yet), so I guess they stand out more, but beyond that?
its easier to moderate
Hm. How so?
I learned early that admins (and possibly also mods) have more insight into user behavior, is that what you mean?
Beyond that the mod/admin structure is pretty much the same as on, say, reddit.
Everything is public, including votes.
Instance admins can notice if a lot of signups happen from a specific ip, email pattern or region.
Thank you for your patience.
Everything is public, including votes.
I have yet to figure out how that works. Does Lemmy offer a way to look at these things? Like who voted?
Instance admins can notice if a lot of signups happen from a specific ip, email pattern or region.
The same goes for, say, reddit admins.
lemvotes.org
Admins can see who voted on what, as can moderators.
Instance admins would be less stretched out than reddit ones, since people are split across instances.
Instance admins also have motivation to remove them, as bots make money for reddit.
No place is safe from this until we are forced to log into the internet with IDs issued by a global government. And obviously that’s a hideous nightmare of its own. and still not a solution.
Anonymity online is important to preserve.
But it’s also the source of so much unchecked bullshit, cheating, exploitation, manipulation, etc etc etc. And now with stronger AI in the mix, it has also made everyone paranoid, only wanting to trust old accounts, calling everything they disagree with a bot, etc.
In short, the internet was a mistake. A big huge self inflicted, unavoidable, and necessary mistake.
I wonder if one of these astroturfers would be interested in purchasing my now unused account that is still in the top 1℅ of highest karma users... 🤔
I'll take no less than $500,000. Don't lowball me. I know what I've got.
Got my very old one too, lots and lots of posts & interactions, if you find a buyer i'll give you 50% 😁
What's the 1% threshold?
🤷♂️
But I have a few million and access to the special 1℅ sub all through comment karma alone.
Reddit should be like OnlyFans and tell you.
My account would definitely either ben in the top 50% or the lower 50%.
If your shittit account is:
∘ 18 or 19 years old ∘ Has a 3 letter username (example: u/hey) ∘ has a million or more karma (the more the comment karma, the more the better)
Your account would be worth 2000+ USD. I have personally seen one account satisfying the above criteria selling for 2500 USD.
If you have one such account it's the best time to sell now.
Where would one go if they really wanted to do that? 🤔
I have personally seen one account satisfying the above criteria selling for 2500 USD.
This was on Ebay a couple of years ago before they banned the sale of online of online accounts. Now most of the Reddit account sales happen on playerup and blackhatworld. If you're going to sell your account on either of the sites make a post proving you actually have control over the account like go into your user profile and type a post saying "This is for playerup. This account, [enter username here], is being sold by an individual and not through some agency or marketplace. Please contact me to buy the account. Individual buyers only. Agencies and marketplaces please avoid" and record a video of it and post it on the product description. If you can't directly upload videos use sites like imgur. This will instill confidence on the buyer since most of the posts claiming they have a 18 or 19 year old accounts are straight up scams. Also PLEASE post this in your product description to help the buyer to prevent your account getting banned by shittit's spam filters:
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I started to understand how screwed up Reddit was when I saw a front page post with like 70k upvotes on a video for a "fishing knot" that requires using both free ends of the line. Either 70k people didn't think about that for more than one second, or it's all bots. Tens of thousands of them.
People don’t think on social media. At least average normal people don’t.
I really think that a large percentage (far from a majority, tho) of what people see as new bot activity on social media is just a rise in “normies” using things like reddit.
Just look at all the people being fooled by ridiculous AI shit.
How do you tell the difference between astroturfing and regular comments? I mean, besides "it's obvious".
Regular accounts will not have all their posts/comments nuked from a certain point in time, and they'll have comments in non-political subs mixed in.
I remember their being a lot of users saying it's "stealing" to block ads, especially on YouTube and you should definitely just sign up for premium.
No one would suspect anti-AI comments of being astroturf by authors and publishers - which means they could do so invisibly if they wanted to. I'm not saying they are, just that astroturfing seems like it would be easy to get away with if you pick the right forums.
When it's posts you agree with, it's honest users. When it's posts you disagree with, it's astroturfing.
I joke, but unfortunately that seems to be the most common metric for a lot of people. If it's a position "no one would really support" (in their view), then support for it must be astroturfed.
Bingpot! So many people live in meme bunkers, where every issue is a binary battle between moral perfection and diabolical evil.
Many comments all pushing the exact same sentiment.
If you know the engagement metrics for how much engagement a post needs to break into the algorithm and be recommended, you can spot them because all the astroturfed posts have x# of upvotes before real conversations start when it breaks into the mainstream
Wait. But posts on social media with a large number of comments with the same sentiment is SUPER common.
People comment without reading other comments ALL THE TIME. Just look at comments on youtube and instagram and similar sites that are not forums.
It’s actually really depressing to see, it makes you realize just how much people are not unique in their thoughts. Just how many people comment stating the obvious, almost like they are typing in metadata for the post. Or just how uncreative people are with jokes.
The problem is, unlike most people realize, astroturfing is rarely sourced from shill accounts like it used to be. Nor are high-karma accounts being purchased.
The issue is bots and shill accounts manipulate vote counts of posts/comments with certain positions. So, you don’t tell the difference, unless you find a way to track who is voting on Reddit content.
This is a fantastic question.
If you ask it in a UFO subreddit, you’ll be attacked. The dynamics there are totally fucked up. (Because the bots and astroturfing there is only about hiding the truth, you see.)
only occasionally look at reddit and yeah the push is super obvious
the "hot" section for my vpn region the other day was just the top 4 pro-regime dumps
Accounts like this are usually taken over by right wing bots. Accounts that didnt care about politics, all of a sudden, have a huge agenda. Its just bullshit
Berkshire Partners uses bots to boost their portfolio on Reddit
Who is Berkshire partners?
Yep.
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