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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/42378682

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[–] Ooops@feddit.org 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Maybe I'm bad at maths but...

VW Group: +3.3%

Renault Group: +4.6%

BMW Group: +6.3%

Chinese Brands: +5.9%

How can chinese car makers with less than 6% market share and not actually exceptional growth compared to competitors be "the main driver of growth"? Other than "that's the narrative we like to spread" of course...

[–] Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 days ago

BYD (along with other Chinese brands) are rolling out the red carpet for journalists and influencers to get positive reporting, and they sue anyone over 'defamation'.

Currently, BYD sued 37 influencers and put another 126 on a watch list for disseminating what it deems as damaging content.

Defamation in China [...] can be prosecuted as a criminal offense. Badmouthing major companies, which are usually state-owned affairs or deeply linked to the Communist Party, can quickly land you in serious trouble. That's true especially if you have a big audience and even if there’s truth to the negative claims. If a Chinese company proves in court that certain comments affected its image and reputation, that may be enough for legal action against an influencer [...] In other words, negative comments about BYD, regardless of whether they have substance or not, could be a career-ending event for an influencer, and the potential massive reparations demanded by some companies could also bring them to financial ruin [...]

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

So when the propaganda machine starts complaining about Chinese overproduction and insisting on tariffs start up again they can point to articles like this. Gotta load up the ammo for propaganda obviously.

[–] Melchior@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You read it wrong. They went from 2.9% market share to 5.9%. So the growth is 111%. More then doubling market share is exceptional growth.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What I cited was growth in May (with other brands having numbers from 3.3 to 6.3...) which then was followed by the statement that "Chinese car brands were the main driver of growth in May" with no numbers given. And that makes no sense.

Nobody doubts that the yearly growth is impressive (out of context that is - see below...) but that's not what the "in May" statement is about.

Also we can find yearly numbers for registered EVs further down in the article. And sure... BYD's +158% or Xpeng's +350% for example look impressive. But then there are Skoda (+182%), Ford (+280%), Citroen (+411%), Porsche (+204%) with several of them having completely new entries in 2025's most-registered top25... unlike those chinese brands. (Side note: the post's description talks about increased market share "led by MG & BYD"... MG actually lost 40% in registered EV volume year to year.)

So I still see this as manufacturing hype about chinese EVs when in reality growth of chinese brands just reflects the growth of the electric share (massively for those bringing brand new models to that quickly changing market) in the total car market, with multiple European brands showing comparable (or better) performance.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 days ago

Lets spawn some chinese bots

CHINESE EVS! CHINESE EVS CHINESE EVS!

Chinese automakers are in big trouble everywhere in the world, but foremost in their home market. China's market leader BYD slows production, cancelling shifts in factories or closes factories completely, suspended some plans to set up new production lines.

A survey conducted by the China Automotive Dealer Association in May found that BYD dealers held an average inventory of 3.21 months, the highest among all brands in China, whereas the inventory level industry-wide was at 1.38 months.

The ongoing overproduction of Chinese carmakers and a fierce price war takes its toll (with around 400 Chinese carmakers went bankrupt or ceased production since 2018).

But China needs Europe and the rest of the world to buy their cheap products, made by coerced labour, so the propaganda must go on.