Fuck AI. Fuck Trump. Fucking love Fransisco de Goya.
this post was submitted on 24 Jun 2025
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This is based on Goya's famous painting "Saturn Devouring His Son", if anyone was wondering.
But why did you post a weirdly cropped version? I just can't see how that happened.
Here's the full painting:
Actually, no idea. I could've sworn the version I copied wasn't cropped.
Imo in this original painting Saturn is horrified either to be doing this at all, or to be seen doing it.
So I don't think the poetry transfers to trump here.
I know this is shit posts but we're also discussing high art so...
It's hard to say for sure. I always interpreted his expression as maniacal rather than horrified.
Yeah I've heard few different intersting takes. I think most people agree the expression is mechanical like you said.
This is just my impression. It's the lighting more than anything that makes me feel this way. The painting seems to be illuminating the devourer in a way that suggests he might be seeing his own act for the first time himself.
He certainly wasn't horrified about doing it in the original myth, as far as I remember.
Yeah, I've always seen Goya's version (if this is even Saturn at all) to be an inversion or some kind of commentary on the original theme. There are a few famous paintings of this scene from before Goya's time.
If anything it feels to me that Saturn was in the darkness doing this act but now there is a bright and sudden light being shown on him and he is shocked or ashamed. Almost like he has possibly "snapped out" of the state he was just in and is now maybe seeing what he has done for the first time himself.
Considering he ate FIVE of his children, I don't think he was.
Edit: wrong thread.
Hey! You come back here with that irrelevant commentary!
One of my favorites. I wish we knew if that's really what he intended to depict - people just guessed.
I dunno, I think that's part of the magic of the Black Paintings. To me, what makes them truly unsettling (in the best way) is the fact that he painted them exclusively for his own desire and that we're limited to guessing the subject matter (which, although ambiguous, was undoubtedly dark).
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Yeah he didn't even actually name this painting. We really don't know who the subjects are for sure.
4 feet tall and painted directly onto the wall of his dining room, too. My kinda guy.
If we ever have another elected president, I hope that one of their first acts after undoing literally everything that the orange menace has done is to replace every picture of trump in any government building with this.
Gonna need fundamental change to make the president less powerful and make it so that no one party ever holds a majority in Congress ever again. The first would follow the second, so we should be pushing for something like Sequential Proportional Approval Voting for every legislature we got.
Not a fan of SPAV, in part for the same reasons I'm not a fan of STAR:
- It doesn't eliminate strategic voting. For example, imagine you support two candidates for a multi-seat election. Under straight AV you vote for both of them because there's literally no incentive to do otherwise. Under SPAV, you might decide that since one of those candidates is much more popular and thus a foregone conclusion to win that you should avoid voting for them so the value of your vote for the other isn't reduced. Too many doing this can cause negative effects, like strategic voting in other methods.
- You can't tell me how my vote will actually be counted until every other vote is counted, because how the ballot will be measured in the end depends on every other ballot as depending on how everyone else voted your votes for some candidates may be worth less than your votes for other candidates. Straight AV doesn't have this problem, your vote is exactly what is says on the ballot and is counted exactly as it is on the ballot. The extra math also makes it more complicated to explain to voters en masse, which is a problem with other systems that have transferable votes.
I get that the goal is apparently to make every state elect a split legislature/congressmen by making so that if any seats are even vaguely competitive the parties will essentially be forced to take turns.
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While this complaint is technically true for SPAV, the likelihood that a popular candidate would fail to win a seat because everyone thought they were too popular is just.... Not gonna happen. We already know from real-world AV elections that voters largely prefer to vote honestly, there's no reason to think they would get more strategic when it gets harder to figure out the optimal strategy.
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This is a problem inherit to nearly all systems designed to produce proportional results. I honestly can't think of a worthwhile system that doesn't have this problem. Anyway, the goal is not to make the parties take turns. It's to make it possible for minor parties to win seats in the legislature. In the end, no single party would ever have a controlling majority, and they would be forced to form coalitions to pass legislation.
We already know from real-world AV elections that voters largely prefer to vote honestly, there’s no reason to think they would get more strategic when it gets harder to figure out the optimal strategy.
In plain AV, voting honestly is the optimal strategy - there's no incentive to vote any other way. It's not for SPAV. And yes, strategic voting in SPAV is harder to figure out than strategic voting in FPTP, but it's far from impossible - basically you don't vote for a popular candidate you support so your vote for other candidates counts for more, relying on the assumption that enough other people will vote for the popular candidate you support to allow them to win anyways.
Strategic voting can be an optional strategy under ordinary approval voting. If I don't like either of the top two candidates, it's still in my best interest to vote for the runner-up, if I hate them less than I hate the front-runner.
And look man, I'm honestly not interested in picking over the details. Any proportional system is better than single-winner. By miles.
Start with reforming the ways your elections are held. To the rest of the world it seems like a 250 years old system to keep those with money in power. I thought the american revolution was held to get lost of a king and his henchmen?
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This is a really good reference to classical Roman mythology. Something that the US government usually appreciates.
It's a reference to Goya a Spanish painter.we don't really know if this painting was about chronos, that's a theory.
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Damn don't do Cronos like that
he pratices deepthroating putin alot.
Trump wouldn't eat the flag, he'd use it to wipe his shit
why do you think he's eating it?
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Who painted this? I want to buy this painting.
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