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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


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Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
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Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

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https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
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https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 63 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Media now really pushing the attack failure narrative. Which would be fine I guess since it is true... but clearly angling for another strike

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 54 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"trump is so weak and thin-skinned" "yeah he always chickens out" "yeah his bombs are ass too"

normally wouldn't be so bad but im certain hes gonna accidentally get shown a tweet and nuke iraq... and the iran after realising he made a typo in his fury.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 46 points 3 days ago

They're so reliably dishonest that when they happen to be honest it's always for the worst reason

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Update on Fordow. Israel went back and bombed the entrances and exits, and access roads, effectively entombing the facility. Even if the 12 GBU-57 MOPs didn't do the damage, the facility is entombed when combined with Iran filling the other entrances and exits with soil. The US did similar at Isfahan with Tomahawk land attack missiles.

Israel will likely seek a ceasefire agreement that keeps these facilities entombed, permanently, especially in the case of Isfahan where the underground facilities were not directly attacked, just the entrances, exits, and above ground facilities. There have been two big indications from Israeli sources leaning in this direction. First, this from Barak David at Axios. I'll quote the key passage:

Two Israeli officials also claimed that intelligence shows Iran's stockpile of 60% and 20% enriched uranium is now buried beneath rubble at Isfahan and Fordow — and it's unclear whether Iran will be able to recover it in the near future.

Then this statement from the Israeli damage assessment, posted by Trump:

This achievement can continue indefinitely if Iran does not get access to nuclear material.

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[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 67 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

Alhamdulillah they got the APC footage. Video ~~coming shortly~~ on TankieTube

https://tankie.tube/w/qv9zpGm9CQvQxiJouzNQwG

Military correspondent for Israel's Channel 14 Hillel Biton-Rosen, citing a senior Israeli officer talking about the Khan Yunis ambush:

"The documentation is shameful, and to say the least, it does not add dignity to the IDF. The division commander was required, according to training, to run over the militants if they got too close, or at least shoot them with the machine gun on the Namer armored vehicle. This is not how a high-ranking officer is expected to behave on the battlefield."

https://t.me/thecradlemedia/38443

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 51 points 3 days ago

It can never be said enough, but these truly are the bravest people in the world.

[–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 48 points 3 days ago (12 children)

It looks like he just dropped the device directly onto a Zionist soldier's head inside? That's crazy

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[–] mechwarrior2@hexbear.net 55 points 3 days ago (4 children)

https://archive.ph/JwkYV

Bloomberg - Jane Street Boss Says He Was Duped Into Funding AK-47s for Coup

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 56 points 3 days ago (7 children)

The Israelis are now lying like Trump.

NYT

Maj. Gen. Eyal Zamir, the chief of staff of the Israeli military, said the damage caused to Iran’s nuclear program in 12 days of war was “not localized, but systemic.” In a video statement on Wednesday, Zamir said that Israel has determined that “Iran’s nuclear project suffered a severe, extensive, and deep blow, and was set back by years.” He also said Israel’s operations in Iran included those of “commando forces on the ground, who operated covertly deep inside enemy territory to secure operational freedom.”

And I'd really like to hear how the Israelis successfully bombed knowledge.

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[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 103 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Every fucking day there is a massacre by gaza aid areas. Demonic entity

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[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 92 points 3 days ago (3 children)

this is New York's second 9/11. by which i mean this is fucking awesome lol

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[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 71 points 3 days ago

Morning Joe: "Globalize the infantada"

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 57 points 3 days ago (14 children)

trump-drenched : "Stupid AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, one of the “dumbest” people in Congress, is now calling for my Impeachment, despite the fact that the Crooked and Corrupt Democrats have already done that twice before. The reason for her “rantings” is all of the Victories that the U.S.A. has had under the Trump Administration. The Democrats aren’t used to WINNING, and she can’t stand the concept of our Country being successful again. When we examine her Test Scores, we will find out that she is NOT qualified for office but, nevertheless, far more qualified than Crockett, who is a seriously Low IQ individual, or Ilhan Omar, who does nothing but complain about our Country, yet the Failed Country that she comes from doesn’t have a Government, is drenched in Crime and Poverty, and is rated one of the WORST in the World, if it’s even rated at all. How dare “The Mouse” tells us how to run the United States of America! We’re just now coming back from that Radical Left experiment with Sleepy Joe, Kamala, and “THE AUTOPEN,” in charge. What a disaster it was! AOC should be forced to take the Cognitive Test that I just completed at Walter Reed Medical Center, as part of my Physical. As the Doctor in charge said, “President Trump ACED it,” meaning, I got every answer right. Instead of her constant complaining, Alexandria should go back home to Queens, where I was also brought up, and straighten out her filthy, disgusting, crime ridden streets, in the District she “represents,” and which she never goes to anymore. She better start worrying about her own Primary, before she thinks about beating our Great Palestinian Senator, Cryin’ Chuck Schumer, whose career is definitely on very thin ice! She and her Democrat friends have just hit the Lowest Poll Numbers in Congressional History, so go ahead and try Impeaching me, again, MAKE MY DAY!"

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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 46 points 3 days ago
[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 80 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Russian Foreign Minister, Sergey Lavrov: 'I completely understand if Iran wants to suspend all cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Grossi is now insisting that Iran grant the agency immediate access to its nuclear facilities to verify the whereabouts of enriched materials and assess the situation on the ground. But where are the assurances that this information won’t be leaked? I see no such safeguards. There is no confidentiality at all.'

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 71 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Discussing Trump's comments on Israel and Iran, Rutte says 'daddy has to sometimes use strong language'. Going back to that Rutte-Trump briefing earlier, there’s also another bit that is attracting some attention.

Talking about Trump’s reaction to Iran and Israel yesterday – when he said of Iran and Israel that “we basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing” – the US president explained that:

They’ve had a big fight, like two kids in a schoolyard. You know, they fight like hell. You can’t stop them. Let them fight for about two, three minutes. Then it’s easier to stop them.

In response, Nato secretary general Mark Rutte appeared to say: “Daddy has to sometimes use strong language to get it stopped.”

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[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 68 points 3 days ago

The Atlanticist European is truly the most pathetic creature on planet Earth.

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[–] LargePenis@hexbear.net 92 points 3 days ago (14 children)

The total American cultural victory is undeniable when me, a Lebanese dude who has never set a foot in America and will never be able to get a visa, is pumped for Zohran Mamdani's victory in his road to becoming the mayor of NYC. Honestly, good work America.

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