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Content jacking and top posting other people's content is really bad for Lemmy. It's also just being a dick to other people making content on the platform.

  • feed is spammy
  • divides conversation
  • chills engagement
  • makes Lemmy less friendly to posters

This pattern is very common on lemmy, and needs to stop.

This is often used to attack or force migrate conversations from a instance someone doesn't like to another instance they do like. It's offensive by its very nature.

If you want to make a better community, great, do it but not at the expense of other Lemmy posters.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel you. This is quite an interesting thread to read and the different opinions in the comments.

I also think this is a problem for Lemmy. We could be better than other social media sites. Have genuine human conversations. Post high quality content that matters to us. But we regularly don't. We dump the news, re-post memes... And I mean there are people who like it. But I don't. I'm here for the comments and I'd rather talk to people than have a lot of noisy content dumped at me, burying human interaction with fabricated activity that's following some ulterior motives, like make the place seem more busy, or do some internal politics... Which may be warranted. But those aren't genuine in my opinion. It's not some other user who likes to talk to me, but someone fabricating something, and it regularly makes me feel used. Plus I'm pretty sure I see it chill engagement.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wish people only posted things they wanted to talk about. That would mean the entire feed are possible conversations to have.

I try to only post things I'd be happy to talk about.

Maybe it would be interesting to see a poster score based on how many of their posts they don't engage with once someone makes a comment.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Maybe it would be interesting to see a poster score based on how many of their posts they don't engage with once someone makes a comment.

I thought about that as well. It's a bit tricky to pull it off. But ultimately I think the entire voting system on Lemmy and hence the way it sorts posts is a bit suboptimal. People upvote memes, the ragebait of the day, simple truths. Content that I find interesting or an interesting and long opinions regularly end up with 0-3 upvotes and float to the bottom. So I mainly discard what kind of scores this place has and sort by "new" anyway. It'd be really great if I had some score available to tell me if some content is what I like to read.

I wish people only posted things they wanted to talk about. That would mean the entire feed are possible conversations to have.

A hundred percent that.

I'm pretty sure we're the minority here. Most people seem to like it the other way around. (Need..more..posts in everyone's timeline.) I'm pretty sure it's also a big part of the equation of why Lemmy always stagnates and we're stuck at 45k users. We've been doing it the "re-post" way a long time now, and we can see the results of that. We shove around content because of some reasons, but we should come up with original and genuine content instead. I think what we need is foster a nice atmosphere. Genuine human conversation underneath posts with above average quality. That'd grow Lemmy and make it a better place. (And instead we dump more posts/noise, and we can see where we're headed with that.)

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 days ago

Preach!

What makes hackernews, metafilter, lobsters great is the community and not the posts.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think what we need is foster a nice atmosphere. Genuine human conversation underneath posts with above average quality. That’d grow Lemmy and make it a better place. (And instead we dump more posts/noise, and we can see where we’re headed with that.)

Beehaw wanted to have this kind of very curated approach, their communities aren't much more active that on non-curated instances.

If you want very in-depth conversation, maybe try to revive !actual_discussion@lemmy.ca ? It seems to fit your requirements.

You talk about original content, it is not contradictory to have both OC and reposts from elsewhere. A thing to keep in mind is that people posting OC will only do so if they get enough reactions on it. !lemmy_stitch@sh.itjust.works used to be quite busy when it first started, but the main mod who used to post a lot hasn't been active for a year, probably because there weren't enough people here to justify posting here on top of Reddit.

People upvote memes, the ragebait of the day, simple truths.

It depends. I post about things I care about. My latest post was about a new movie coming, there were 68 comments: https://piefed.zip/post/153138 , and it was a legit conversation, even though it was a repost from a new movie poster. Reposting existing content isn't contradictory with having genuine conversations.

I’m pretty sure we’re the minority here. Most people seem to like it the other way around. (Need…more…posts in everyone’s timeline.) I’m pretty sure it’s also a big part of the equation of why Lemmy always stagnates and we’re stuck at 45k users. We’ve been doing it the “re-post” way a long time now, and we can see the results of that. We shove around content because of some reasons, but we should come up with original and genuine content instead.

It's a multi factor issue.
To have genuine conversations on a certain topic, there need to be at least a minimum userbase interested in that topic.
With 45k MAU, we can talk about generic topics. The more userbase we get, the more niche topics we can have.

When I talk about Lemmy on Reddit to try to get those additional users we need, the first issues they have with the platform is the political stances of the devs, and the fact that a lot of communities are still hosted on the hosted instance (you've read cm0002 comment, so you're aware).

Lemmy has a bad reputation due to this, and while this will remain true, this will prevent us from getting more people. That's also why Piefed raises a lot of hopes.

Last potential example of growth: a niche community moving.

Db0 had a large influx of users (625) following a post on Reddit about their instance: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37167077

!piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com is mostly reposts with news about piracy, not a lot of OC content, but it being out of Reddit is enough for people to use it.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is often used to attack or force migrate conversations from a instance someone doesn't like to another instance they do like. It's offensive by its very nature.

I have to say I haven't come across this issue too often as I basically never browse /All. But I definitely have noticed this with cm0002's personal crusade against .ml pissing off more than one poster in communities I follow.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 13 points 1 week ago (8 children)

yeah, that is exactly who is causing the pain. I was blissfully ignorant of it, until someone explained their grevience and I labeled them in voyager as a jacker, and now I see how duplicative and bad for lemmy they make everybody's experience.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

So, are we all just supposed to accept the .ml instance bans? https://feddit.nl/post/16246531

I'm not the biggest fan of the way @cm0002@lemmy.world handles this, but at the same time, the usual recommendation for people unhappy with the way a community was managed was to make their own.

Also, the "authorship" issue is brought up a few times in this threads, but don't @cm0002@lemmy.world posts always credit the original author?

Examples:

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 14 points 1 week ago (14 children)

After a post author has already been made aware of an alternative community and has asked cm0002 multiple times to stop reposting their original content there, continuing to do so anyway is extremely rude. Yes, the internet is free, the content is out there and there is nothing stopping cm0002 from continuing to repost it. But there is also nothing stopping me from thinking he's a fucking asshole whose efforts create more hatred and internal division on this platform than it unites us.

Some of the communities he wages war against have zero political connections (such as !crows@lemmy.ml) and have never once even approached a moment of controversy with a mod or admin.

But he is on a mission from God as a hero of the people in his just crusade against the evils of the internet or whatever, so in his own words it "must be done".

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[–] goferking0@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I have never seen them credit the original. Occasionally will see them saying it's from an ml ask lemmy but they put more effort into bragging about taking it off an ml space than credit

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[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

are we all just supposed to accept the .ml instance bans?

I think you should. You have the remainder of the English-speaking internet in which to post popular CIA disinformation about the failed June 4th color revolution without any pushback. Why do you need this space too?

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[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

It's especially stupid since karma isn't a thing on Lemmy. Karma was fake on reddit, but people love a good mental feedback mechanism. Here, though, you're just being a dick if you steal content.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

If it absolutely must be copied then the cross post mechanism should be used.

We literally have reposting bots for hackernews, reddit, Twitter, etc. It's nearly infinite content out there.

Hurting Lemmy users makes it harder to grow the platform

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Wait, so what you're complaining about is something other than crossposts? 'Cause to me, this thread sounded like you were just bitching about crossposts.

Edit: you should copy your explanation here into your initial post itself so that we all understand what you were actually talking about.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

Agreed, I wasn't sure what Jet was talking about.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I could not agree more. @cm0002@lemmy.world could maybe use a bit of self-reflection in that regard.

[–] goferking0@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

Getting worse with them now doing it to ask lemmy posts

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah bro just decided to be a dick about it to random individuals.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

I don't target random individuals, this is about the problem with the admins of .ml. I cross-post to reduce the influence of .ml comms to make it an easier decision for instances admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate, is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms

Some highlights from the link:

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558

CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic

And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Another problem Piefed has solved by aggregating crossposts into a single thread.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You've piqued my interest.

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[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I haven't seen this, so can't speak on it. What's the difference between someone reposting the same article/crossposting and content jacking?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 15 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Let's say you make a niche post about a programming feature

2-6 hours later someone copies your post exactly but doesn't cross post. Now people browsing by New see the copy first and if they do see the original it feels redundant/ spammy.

If people do talk about this niche thing it's likely they won't be talking in the same place.

You as the poster won't see the engagement with your content, you won't see comments, and you may be less incentivized to post again

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the cross post feature is used, does it merge comments as well?

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (7 children)

It does on Piefed

https://piefed.zip/post/100161

All comments from 5 crossposts in a single view

A few options

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[–] BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Happy with how PieFed deals with it. Lemmy often feels like a ghost town with posts having zero comments. PieFed combining them takes most of that away, and I guess it reduces any incentive to 'pinch' other people's posts?

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

I cross-post to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly the instance as a whole to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate, is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms

Megathread on the issue

Some highlights from the link:

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558

CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic

And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

Whatever harm you think this does to the Lemmy-verse pales in comparison to the harm .ml and the behavior of its admins does because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform

On the outside, bringing up Lemmy always leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left"

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[–] psychadlligoat@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Complaining about "stolen" memes on these forums is always cringe as fuck

especially to us enlightened piefed users who get them all combined anyway

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