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[–] n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 hours ago

They going to lose market share.

I don't mind removing dyes but I hope they don't add any back in. Natural dyes can cause allergic reactions too or make vegan foods non-vegan (i.e. dyes from animal sources).

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 112 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Kraft Heinz” lobbies the FDA to redefine “synthetic dye” by 2027.

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

See also: organic farming. We define what's allowed to charge you extra. Is it less awful? Maybe! Is it more expensive? Definitely!

[–] Kamsaa@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I agree, not all natural products are innocuous but still isn't the point that organic IS less awful? I'm thinking especially regarding biodiversity and conditions in which the animals live (at least in France, it is the label with the strictest standards for animal "welfare"). I get that it's not perfect but I don't think we should wait to have the perfect system to get rid of some of the absolutely shitty parts in the current system.

Is it more expensive? To the customer yes. For real, once you include environmental benefits, health costs from cancers etc and take into account the fact that organic farmers usually receive zero help from governments (I'm considering the french case here), you realise that the price gap is not as big as you think and that a major part of it is because pesticides have made agriculture unnaturally "cheap" (i.e. with a lot of invisible costs).

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Sure thing. This article goes in depth, but the short version is that natural doesn't necessarily mean safe.

[–] _bac@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would not call that in depth. It just lists some of the substances.

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I agree, but it does cover the entirety of my suspicion towards organic produce.

Well damn. For me the bullshit part is that they aren’t required to tell us which ones they did actually use on whatever I am purchasing.

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[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 12 points 1 day ago

My local grocery store did this - the colors in their cake frosting are all pale now. It's a different kind of beauty. I don't mind at all

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Surely they are also eliminating high fructose corn syrup, right?

^…right?^

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I never understood why Canada loved ketchup until I moved there. Canadian Heinz doesn't have a funky aftertaste. That's the corn syrup.

[–] cattywampas@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

That's why I always buy the Simply Heinz, made with sugar and no HFCS.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same with coca-cola, back when I used to drink that crap. If I try now, it’s that rancid buttery/greasy after taste that lingers for 20 minutes.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

I remember when I graduated and went to New York for an internship. I went to the fridge and took a big swig of Coke and was like, whats going on with my teeth and mouth? It feels weird.

Then a few people told me and I was like, why's Coke so popular in the US if it tastes like this? How come this Mexican Coke everyone is talking about isn't more popular?

I gave up sugary soft drinks for the most part now. I do have it occasionally but it's like once a week or two weeks at most.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 1 day ago

That was exactly my first thought.

[–] dinren@discuss.online 4 points 1 day ago (10 children)

And replacing it with… good ole shit sugar?

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think sugar is healthier, that high fructose stuff is horrible

Regular sugar and HFCS are metabolzed differently - your liver processes fructose directly which is why it's linked to fatty liver disease and insulin resistance at higher consumption levels.

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[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

No sugar added! We just added grape juice concentrate for no particular reason.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lesser of two evils 🤷‍♂️

[–] dinren@discuss.online 2 points 1 day ago

Didn’t work for Kamala!

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[–] AngrySquirrel@lemm.ee 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So no more green and purple ketchup?

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The green will now be colored with the all natural bile of the endangered snow leopard.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Snot from sick orphans is cheaper.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd probably do really well as a capitalist. My only failing is that I am empathetic to the suffering of my fellow humans. 😔

That’s a disqualifier right there. You better pack it up.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

which means this stuff has been negative for your body for decades and they haven't done shit about it

In reality, synthetic dyes are likely nowhere near as much of a health risk as the sugars and salts in these products anyway. But anything that can be done to incrementally improve the healthiness of product, it's still progress. And at least people can read the label and make informed decisions about the nutritional value of the salt, fat, sugar, etc. in their food. But the actual risks of other ingredients, like dyes, preservatives, and artificial sweeteners, are far less apparent to the typical shopper, even if they are largely minimal in risks, if the actual risks are even known in the first place, that is.

[–] ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh boy, the return of crushed bugs for food dye

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That dye has never stopped being used, you know. You have almost certainly been eating food with this dye for your entire life. You likely have products in your home with this dye in it right now. Red candies, red velvet cake, red drinks, strawberry or raspberry yogurts, maraschino cherries, ice creams, some sausages or faux crab meat, too. It is a very common dye.

When it became big news a few years back, the main problem was not that it is made from bugs. The problem was that it was being used in ostensibly vegan products, making it not actually vegan. The big target at the time was Starbucks for their pink drink (I believe). But most companies didnt ever change anything.

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