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UK | Fewer than half of young men believe abortion should be legal, poll finds
(www.independent.co.uk)
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this post was submitted on 16 Jun 2025
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Had a girl at the bar ask me my opinion on abortion. (This was in the 90s for reference. I'd have a different answer now.)
"It's none of my business to have an opinion. I'm a man."
"Right fucking answer!"
And fuck we did!
That's because they've been mindfucked by red-pilled social media since they were in the womb.
I will never understand why the left engages people with this rhetoric. NO ONE wants to have an abortion. We are not fighting for your right to abort.
This is about your right to privacy, your right to receive adequate medical care, as well as proper sexual education regarding contraception.
Liberal areas with proper sex ed classes and adequate access to medical care for women have drastically lower abortion rates than conservative areas.
These numbers are so sad. Based on the numbers their fathers probably supported it. I wonder if this a repercussions of more progressive men not breeding as much and raising sons not to be douches.
I think it's more just abandoning a generation of young men to be raised by the Internet while nobody's watching and not giving a shit when there are concerted efforts to tell boys they're worthless and ugly and will never get girlfriends to sell them scam products and harmful ideologies that supposedly offer a way out. Instead, these boys were yelled at and told how worthless and ugly they are for thinking these things, and how they'll never get girlfriends, just feeding into all of the right wing lies. The far right has spent most of the past two decades trying to create this false problem for young men so they could sell a solution to it, and nobody was paying attention. I remember seeing the beginnings of this shit in the early 2010s and being disturbed at the harmful things being aimed at me as a teen boy and it's just way worse now as kids are online and overstimulated 24/7.
Tell those young men to not get any abortions
Well, good thing they won't be the ones getting the abortions. Imagine if someone tried to tell them what they could and couldn't do with their bodies, that would be so crazy.
1000 people is such an irrelevant data set.
16-34 is such a massive age range, a 34 year old is completely different to a 16 year old.
Where was the poll even posted? Media like this is what's causing our problems. It's just cherry picking for headlines.
A sample size of 1000 people gives a margin of error of only 3%..
For random bias yes. Unfortunately, that age group are notoriously difficult to poll accurately. Without knowing how the polling was done, detecting systematic bias is difficult.
E.g. street polling on a Sunday morning, near a church, or mosque will get vastly different results to the same poll near the high street, on a Friday night.
Also relevant. https://xkcd.com/882/
Don't get me wrong, it's a worrying poll. Buta lot of studies like this disappear back into the noise, when studied by multiple groups.
The study says they used online polling but didn't elaborate further so who's to say what biases there may or may not be. But generally ipsos does a pretty good job with their polling.
I do agree that most of these polls tend to end up being nothing burgers, but there has been a recent trend of younger males gravitating towords the right of the political spectrum. I mainly commented to point out that a sample size of 1000 is generally recognized to be large enough for accuracy.
This growing forced birth movement among young men is so fucking terrifying. I mean it's an entire generation of men who believe women should be chattel.
incelism is a growing threat for the last 10 years, made worst by people peterson, rogan, shapiro and many grifters.
My (ex) best friend from childhood is now 39, single, has a kid, and is an incel who blames all his problems on women. And I mean literally: he can't keep a job because of women. He even lost his truck driver gig because of women! Not that he ever explained it, just complained that everything was caused by women.
We don't talk anymore.
trucking industry are male dominated, and even then its usually tcompany owners that suck the truckers dry financially. its definitely mysogyny, because they also use woman as the face of being a ceo when the company is declining or recieving too much negative attention, glass cieling is the term.
when i was looking for jobs after school, i was in various job forums, and one disccussion piqued my interest in biology, they are supassing men in getting thos degrees, plus grad studies and in jobs. also certain people stop trying to apply to certain jobs if they recieved too many rejections, hence they fall out of the academic field.
i was following a channel owned by asians, during the pandemic, somehting happened between them and a female employee which caused peoplt o turn on them, and the incels to support the men of the channel. the women were all blamed(that worked there previously on the channel but did not leave on good terms) for thier channels decline. they dont realize they were spreading misinformation attacking her character, siccing the fans on her to discredit her, plus also trying to brigade the subreddits about the channels to censor them. i checked back the sub from time to time, and they definitely are in love trump, not surprised, plus peterson, musk, and even one of them bragging about knowing a pedophile teacher.
Omg the number of guys like this who claim to have been set back or hurt somehow by positive discrimination (which they call “forced diversity”), but can’t conjure up a single concrete example when challenged and just segue into the next rant…
it either goes around to blame woman or semetic people in the end. the type of people who are msygoynists are often racist too.
The algorithms are all pointing them towards manosphere content that says shit like “your body, my choice”. Everything is a joke or entertainment now so you can have insane political beliefs “for the lols” that end up becoming their real opinions, and if you try to challenge them “you’re taking it too seriously/it’s just a joke/it’s not that deep”
Weird
I'm so disturbed by how fashy gen z became
Don't ignore the gender bias
Warren Farrell has been warning the world for 20 years that neglecting and marginalising young men is going to result in generations of angry men who have checked out of society and will turn to criminality. By every available metric from suicide to educational outcomes, boys and young men are suffering enormously. Drowning people do terrible things. Lashing out at society in the ballot box is going to be the least of our issues soon.
Despite this, I predict society will continue to blame them for their failures, marginalise them, mock them, and pretend that they're privileged. This is going to get worse until people are ready to have a serious society-wide discussion about how we can help young men succeed in the modern world.
I think it’s funny how if you ignore the needs and wants of young men, you get an increase in angry criminals that drag society down. But if you ignore the needs and wants of young women, you get business as usual. Thats why so many men resist women speaking up. They think it takes their voice away; they don’t want to be treated like women, so they rebel. We need a new status quo that treats us as equals. Don’t shame young men, but people need to be teaching them to be better too.
I don't think framing their issues in terms of women's issues is helpful. "But what about men" is just a unhelpful when dealing with issues for women. Feminism did great things to advance the interests of women, and it required coordination and struggle over many decades against a system which wasn't receptive to their needs. Now, each year, the U.S. spends close to $8B on women's initiatives spanning many areas from healthcare to education. If you're suggesting men need their own movement, perhaps you're right. Perhaps what we're seeing is the early formation of that. Messy, uncoordinated, and immature, as are all early movements.
In the mean time, I don't think "be better" is a resonant message. It was rightly dismissed when people said it to women in the 1960s and it should be dismissed now. These issues are structural and require structural solutions. I think a big part of this is economic. Men are taught from a young age (by men and women) that unless they make a lot of money, they're worthless. Society is offering fewer and fewer opportunities for men in traditionally blue collar industries to thrive. If we offer few opportunities and call them worthless for not succeeding, this is a recipe for societal instability.
Waaaahwaahwaah
Fucking get a grip, women have had to deal with way more shit historically and contemporarilly and haven't become shit heel fascists and bigots. This is male supremacists upset at their power slipping away from them, and yearning to take a firm hand of the whip.
Women get raped and harassed, men get the weepies for not being able to fuck or get a job, turning them into fascist little hitlerites. Get a fucking grip.
Like this isn't by design?? Young men are swinging so hard because they are most eagerly vulnerable to manipulation. It isn't happening by accident, a quirk of circumstances or unintentional neglect.
I don't think young men are genetically predisposed to this. They are the product of the society in which they grow up. They're seeking help because no one else is there to help.
You don't think young men are genetically predisposed to seeking violent solutions and promoting violent rhetoric, more so than young women are? Because I think they very obviously are. I don't think that's remotely disputable. And I think that's being intentionally exploited.
There are LOTS of people "there to help". But you don't find them on 4chan, X, or Truth.social.
Fuck these other men.
Yeah, until their girlfriend gets pregnant.
Or worst say they'll help and then ditch after born.
Yeah, but that's reality. Reality doesn't factor into manosphere posturing.
I bet they are those type of men who run faster than roger rabbit at the first signs…
faster than roger rabbit
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Aka leaving the woman they impregnated alone while stripping rights of women
You should have them really show their commitment by having them sign up for foster kids at the same time as registering this hot take.
Until it’s going to be theirs, naturally.
Fucking sickness. If they had to carry and birth, never would be a question or issue.