this post was submitted on 14 Jun 2025

122 points (100.0% liked)

TechTakes

1964 readers

666 users here now

Big brain tech dude got yet another clueless take over at HackerNews etc? Here's the place to vent. Orange site, VC foolishness, all welcome.

This is not debate club. Unless it’s amusing debate.

For actually-good tech, you want our NotAwfulTech community

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

dgerard@awful.systems

122

Wikipedia Pauses AI-Generated Summaries After Editor Backlash (www.404media.co)

submitted 1 day ago by Irelephant@lemm.ee to c/techtakes@awful.systems

33 comments fedilink hide all child comments

cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/20524171

“The Wikimedia Foundation has been exploring ways to make Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects more accessible to readers globally,” a Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson told me in an email. “This two-week, opt-in experiment was focused on making complex Wikipedia articles more accessible to people with different reading levels. For the purposes of this experiment, the summaries were generated by an open-weight Aya model by Cohere. It was meant to gauge interest in a feature like this, and to help us think about the right kind of community moderation systems to ensure humans remain central to deciding what information is shown on Wikipedia.”

Some very out of touch people in the Wikimedia Foundation. Fortunately the editors (people who actually write the articles) have the sense to oppose this move in mass.

top 33 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A well written wikipedia article about a complex topic is already a summary!

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago

There's also simplified english available for many pages

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia

An encyclopedia is a reference work or compendium providing summaries of knowledge, either general or special, in a particular field or discipline.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Obligatory cross-reference: This came up in the stubsack before 404media wrote about it.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 13 points 1 day ago

Fuck it, repeating my joke from the earlier thread: Inviting the most pedantic nerds on Earth to critique your chatbot slop is a level of begging to be pwned that’s on par with claiming the female orgasm is a myth.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

I need to check the stubsack more often.

[–] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What is stubsack? It just links to Lemmy threads .

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The stubsack is the weekly thread of miscellaneous, low-to-mid-effort posts on awful.systems.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago

The simultaneous problem and benefit of the stubstack thread is that a good chunk of the best posts of this community are contained within them.

[–] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I knew AI would eventually come for one of the greatest things humans have ever used the internet for, but I'm so disappointed that it has come from within.

I've cancelled my monthly donations. We can't trust the Wikimedia Foundation at all, ever again. Genuinely sickening anti-human sentiment from those freaks.

It is so concerning given that they're entrusted with something so collaborative and so amazing.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

time to donate my money to a different wiki that only has the noblest of intentions, wikifeet (jk)

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago

Refreshing. An online community that wears its intentions on its sleeve.

[–] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is there anything closer to the human soul?

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think you're deliberately setting up for this response, so: "more like human sole".

[–] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I wasn't, but that is toetally the perfect response

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You should consider donating to the internet archive.

[–] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Don't worry; I already do! But, great suggestion.

[–] jaschop@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago

de-paywalled link

[+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Thank God we didn't get help for people in digesting complex topics. Then how would they blame the experts for not making things simple enough that they should have to try learning.

Also, people should learn about complex intelligent systems, and how all of their problems with AI are just problems with capitalism that will still inevitably exist even without AI/the loom.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

hey dawg if you want to be anti-capitalist that’s great, but please interrogate yourself on who exactly is developing LLMs and who is running their PR campaigns before you start simping for AI and pretending like a hallucination engine is a helpful tool in general and specifically to help people understand complex topics where precision and nuance are needed and definitely not fucking hallucinations. Please be serious and for real

[+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

points at literally every other technology or piece of shared socio-economic infrastructure

gestures more heavily

also checks your sources, whether it's wikipedia, LLMs, or humans! all confabulate!

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Dis you:

[+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

could you explain how? or how the examples i gave are not as valid to your current direction of critique?

i'm not saying 'i'm intelligent' or 'the system will not abuse these tools'

are you suggesting my understanding is overfit to a certain niche, and there is a flagrant blindspot that wasn't addressed by my earlier comment?

also i use uncommon words for specificity, not to obfuscate. if something hasn't made sense, i would also elaborate. (we also have modern tools to help unravel such things as well, if you don't have a local tutor for the subject.)

or we can just give inaccurate caricatures of each other, and each-others points of view. surely that will do something other than feed the ignorance and division driven socio-economic paperclip maximizer that we are currently stuck in.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

Note to the Peanut gallery: this guy knows about paperclipmaxxing but not this more famous comic. Curious. lmfao

[–] self@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

holy shit I’m upgrading you to a site-wide ban

so many paragraphs and my eyes don’t want any of them

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Incredible work as always, self

[–] self@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

this one was definitely my pleasure

“how can you fools not see that Wikipedia’s utterly inaccurate summary LLM is exactly like digital art, 3D art, and CGI, which are all the same thing and are/were universally hated(???)” is a take that only gets more wild the more you think on it too, and that’s one they’ve been pulling out for at least two years

I didn’t catch much else from their posts, cause it’s almost all smarm and absolutely no substance, but fortunately they formatted it like paragraph soup so it slid right off my eyeballs anyway

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago

AI is a pseudoscience that conflates a plagiarism-fueled lying machine with a thinking, living human mind. Fuck off.

[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ai doesn't help anyone, its just corporate slop.

You learn to digest deep subjects by reading them.

[+] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz -12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

yes you need to read things to understand them, but also going balls deep into a complex concept or topic with no lube can be pretty rough, and deter the attempt, or future attempts.

also do you know what else is corporate slop? the warner/disney designed art world? every non-silicon paperclip maximizing pattern? the software matters more than the substrate.

the pattern matters more than the tool.

people called digital art/3d art 'slop' for the same reason.

my argument was the same back then. it's not the tool, it's the system.

'CGI doesn't help anyone'

attacking the tool of CGI doesn't help anyone either.

that being said... AI does literally help some people. for many things. google search was my favourite AI tool 25 years ago, but it's definitely not right now.

the slop algorithms were decided by something else even before that. see: enshittification and planned obsolescence.

aka, overfitting towards an objective function in the style of goodheart's law.

also you can read a 'thing' but if you're just over-fitting without making any transferable connections, you're only feeding your understanding of that state-space/specific environment. also other modalities are important. why LLMs aren't 'superintelligent' despite being really good with words. that's an anthropocentric bias in understanding intelligent systems. i know a lot of people who read self help/business novels, which teach flawed heuristics. which books unlearn flawed heuristics?

early reading can lead to better mental models for interacting with counterfactual representations. can we give mental tools for counterfactual representation some hype?

could you dive into that with no teachers/AI to help you? would you be more likely to engage with the help?

it's a complicated situation, but overfitting binary representations is not the solution to navigating complexity.

[–] self@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago

god I looked at your post history and it’s just all this. 2 years of AI boosterism while cosplaying as a leftist, but the costume keeps slipping

are you not exhausted? you keep posting paragraphs and paragraphs and paragraphs but you’re still just a cosplay leftist arguing for the taste of the boot. don’t you get tired of being like this?

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago

that being said… AI does literally help some people. for many things. google search was my favourite AI tool 25 years ago, but it’s definitely not right now.

lol

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago

yes you need to read things to understand them

OK, here's your free opportunity to spend more time doing that. Bye now.