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This isnt just a win for Labor, this is a historic landslide after the already historic landslide in 2022. The Liberals could hold as few as 40/150 seats in the house after today, and Labor as many as 90. This could be their greatest victory since the Second World War, and the Liberals (who, to clarify, are conservative) smallest representation since their formation. There was something like a 5% swing away from the Liberals. Likewise, this result appears to have elected the most independents to parliament in decades.
Lets point out that its not even the liberals, its a liberal national coalition. The liberal primary vote is in third party territory. Even if you add the libs and nats they have about half the seats of labor. This ass kicking is historical.
The Coalition has been a stable political entity for generations, and is structurally more like a party with two formalised factions and centres of power than like two parties temporarily cooperating. (In Queensland, they have even merged into one party.)
Trump is turning the world to the left.
It's not really left though, it's just sightly less right. More maintaining status quo instead of taking a big step right. Which I guess by comparison is left?
Our (Australia's) progress parties like The Greens actually lost a lot of seats.
I feel people just didn't want the Conservative party more so than wanted a progressive party. But I'll take it.
People need to see fascism in action in other countries to be reminded of what it is, too bad that it had to be the US, last time it was Germany.
Too bad voters can't live in a simulation showing the consequences of their vote before they do so, that way it wouldn't be necessary to stumble and waste resources/progress that we're going to need in the future.
The simulation you’re talking about is the population being able to access higher education so that they understand their vote.
Pre-WW1 and WW2 Germans were some of the most educated, informed and progressive societies in the world at the time and it didn't stop them blundering into jingoism and fascism, I don't think it is just that.
There is a large component of "the socialists/wokes are coming for you" which glitches regular people into protest voting to the right of center instead of for a left that actually represents their interests.
PS: there is also infighting between lefties, far lefties, "moderates" and liberals that can prevent them from aligning against fascist demagogues until it is too late.
PPS: also, if you just study a lot of STEM in college, your views on humanities may still be atrocious, like elonstans.
PPS: also, if you just study a lot of STEM in college, your views on humanities may still be atrocious, like elonstans.
This was very depressing to learn. I know a lot of software engineers, some of them PhD students, who are really smart and clever people, able to abstract concepts, form connections in thought, recall relevant information and make intelligent conclusions every day. And then they say things like masks don't do anything during COVID, the vaccines don't work, Russia is defending itself, the wokes are oppressing everyone and destroying everything etc. It's almost impressive to see someone seemingly intelligent act like the lowest Trump supporter with certain topics like someone just flipped a switch.
Literally, just step back and look at history.
It's amazing, and disappointing, that the simple exercise of "Let me predict what the consequences of my vote will be" seems beyond so many people.
Unfortunately that path feels like it's closing. Will probably need more shows like The Handmaid's Tale to make learning entertaining. The more people are reminded of the horrors of fascism in parallel fictional arenas, the more likely they will connect the dots.
They'd call "Fake Sims" before lunchtime on the first day.
Except perhaps in the UK, where there’s a Labour government who are triangulating rightwards Blair-fashion, but who (if recent local elections are anything to go by) look likely to be replaced with a far-right populist party that’s actually a private company controlled by donors.
I love how the UK's supposedly left leadership aggressively, insistently opened with "let's cut off the heating for old people in winter" and kept doubling down on it.
There is no left in Canada. I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe trump is turning the world centrist is more apt of a statement. As far as I know, the labour party in Australia is more centrist than left leaning. Also, half of Canada voted for the right-wing guy, and the next election will be close again.
The universe seeks balance
I can finally have a couple months off from stressing over our politics because we reelected the competent side.
It's been pretty nice. I've been catching up on new (to me) music releases.
Culture!?! I forgot that was a thing I could do with my time.
This and the GTA6 release date announcement today is a good news day.
At 8.24pm, less than half an hour after the final polls closed in Western Australia, 9News projected Labor had won the election.
This makes it sound like the result arrived extraordinarily quickly (which, in fairness, it was a very fast call) but elections here are decided entirely in the eastern states. It was obvious that the swing was on and Labor were clear favourites to win before polls in WA even closed.
By far the best news of the night though was that Temu Trump (Peter Dutton) lost his own seat just like Pierre Polievre in Canada several days ago. That makes him the first opposition leader to lose their own seat at a federal election.
What about Howard?
He was Prime Minister when he lost his seat, not the opposition leader.
Ahh yeah, sorry, my bad
Are these guys Labour like the UK's Labour (basically a centre-right wing party in disguise these days), or are they legitimately a left-wing pro socialist workers rights party, like Labour should be?
If the latter, good for them! They deserve good things over there.
It used to be closer to the former, the rise of The Greens as a third force in Australian politics has been a result of the right faction of the Labor party pushing them away from some of those roots as it desperately tried to win elections. Many Greens voters are former voters from the Labor left. With Labor's main opponents in complete disarray, however, there is potentially a greater possibility for it to shift left over the next term (and longer, depending on how quickly their opposition regroups).
Yep, very similar to UK Labour, in my understanding. They've distanced themselves from their union roots a lot over the last 4ish decades.
Australia's politics are weird. Our 'liberal' party is the conservative one. Our 'nationals' party is meant to represent the people in rural communities, but are somehow more corrupt and full of shit than the 'liberals'. Our 'labor' party has literally never given birth, and nobody in 'The Greens' is actually green. Needless to say, Australia is weird.
Thank you for that, didn’t know.
It depends who you ask.
In practice, the former.
I want to believe some Labor politicians are the latter, but afraid to show it because it's punished the party politically in the past. There are definitely right and left factions within the party, it's just not clear what the balance is.
If you look at the vote compass Labor currently sits a little left and slightly progressive, they have implemented/supported their fair share of authoritarian right legislation though
The tankies will scream.but we held the line. Thank you to all my sane aussie compatriots. The potato is toast.