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[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago

Crazy high engagement

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

I commented on like ~50-60 threads a day on reddit, when I had it.

I would get like 3 notifications, and half would be about votes.

[–] nico198X 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those kind of arguments are so weird. There are more people on Lemmy than I could ever speak with in my lifetime.

Exactly how many people do these folks need?

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

For any niche sub, it really depends, like comicbooks id get 50 replies on reddit, 0-3 here

[–] daskye@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

I feel like post wise it's quite slow but even if you make one post to a dead community, you'll get tons of engagement

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago

They just want more bots to play with

[–] withabeard@lemmy.world 70 points 3 days ago (16 children)

I wonder if all the bot activity on reddit makes it look so busy that people are confused when they come somewhere with far fewer bots around?

I notice significantly more positive interaction with (at least what I believe to be) real humans here than I did on reddit in my last couple of years there.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 days ago (4 children)

People always talk about wanting to grow Lemmy, but honestly I like it a lot more the way it is. You can comment on a post that's been on All for 6 hours and still get plenty of thoughtful responses. On reddit, there was so much noise - especially on major threads - that commenting was like pissing into the wind.

[–] adorno_h8s_ur_jazz_meme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I also choose this guy's comment!

Now make people restating it 800 times half the thread. Switched a few weeks ago, and honestly the fact I have yet to see the words heckin or wholesome, nor the annoying as fuck story style of banal metaphor they think is relatable and super clever, sounding like a chimichanga doused in tabasco making its emergency 3AM exit be known, has all sold me. Reddit seems to be a bunch of people who think they're super unique and progressive as they salivate over Marvel movies and rehash the same 9 political talking points, 50 posts, and 4 philosophy quotes they don't understand ad infinitum. It is reddit without redditors, and doesn't feel like it is curated by the DNC's PR department. What's not to love?

I think lemmy'd be ideal if it was double our triple its current size. Maybe just large enough to convince r/askhistorians to jump ship.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would say "^This" in jest but didn't want to traumatize you, so wrapped it in this sentence:-). But yeah, I decided to leave Reddit for good around the time of the protests. Fortunately I had Kbin (a now-defunct alternative to Lemmy, the project carried forward by Mbin and somewhat in spirit by PieFed which I am on now) to jump to, but seriously I was going to leave all that trash regardless. I did not enjoy what it was doing to me - like how argumentative and defensive I was having to become upon saying ANYTHING at all, and more often choosing not to respond in places like r/pop(ular) bc of the feedback that would inevitably come.

The Threadiverse (threaded-style defederated forum software, currently Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed) isn't perfect, but is so much better! It requires a ton more effort to set up than Reddit did (well, Lemmy does - check out PieFed's setup wizard and you'll never look back!:-P), yet unlike corporate enshittified Reddit is worth it. Breathe the free air here!

Also an interesting article to read about the addictive effects that such platforms engender in their unwitting participants: https://medium.com/@max.p.schlienger/the-cargo-cult-of-the-ennui-engine-890c541cebcb .

Lol I literally had a strict rule where I downvoted every comment that started with "this", no matter what else was written. Fuck that noise.

I did quite enjoy that article, although I would disagree with his conclusion. As can be guessed from my user name, I think the nature of capitalism is to blame, not personal habit. It seems tenuous to claim that a phenomena that has affected humans by the billions can be remedied by personal choice. A critic may say that is exactly buying into the illusion of capital. What is a systemic issue of production and distribution being reduced to one of personal agency, moral failing, and consumer preference.

One of the best books I've read in a long time is about precisely this. Immediacy, or the Cultural Style of Too Late Capitalism by Anna Kornbluh. It is a spiritual successor the Frederic Jameson and Postmodernism: The Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism, as well as Debord and others.

Her argument is mainly that as markets have come to dominate every aspect of our existence, market logic has come to dominate culture. The current logic she names Immediacy. The idea being that in all aspects, including academia, culture is dominated by personal, immediate experience. It is nominalism, the idea that mediation of experience through abstraction, whether philosophical concepts or difficult art, is pretentious, impersonal, boring, amd tedious. We demand immediate response from that we engage with. Whether it be social media, music, novels, or movies, they are required to be immediately relatable, translatable, and consumable.

This is why shows like Rings of Power feel vapid and lacking. They are not mythical people in which we can posit ourselves, in which we can aspire and dream of greatness, of justice, of friendship and loyalty. The show feels like it is sneering and rolling its eyes at these. No one is really like Aragorn, come the fuck on. Hokie ass garbage.

Instead it offers us... ourselves in a fantasy setting. Symbolism and themes are hard and boring and pretentious, so they will pursue their own petty interests as we would and squabble and pout. Shows like this just feel like our world in a new setting. The orcs are "complicated", under the auspices of moral complexity but really just to denude morality from the world altogether. No grand messages. That shit is lame. And so we are more invested in Aragorn the moment his face changes to tenderness,as he looks down at Sam, willing to defend his his master against this 6' tall man with a longsword wielding a candlestick, and shows a deep moral complexity. This is using something rare in our world, a powerful man, a Numenorian, admiring the courage of a hobbit gardnerer with a candlestick. Admiring his bravery and loyalty. And as a mysterious, threatening, hardened traveller showing compassion and vulnerability.

It is striking in its contradiction, actual subversion, difficulty, and seeming otherwordly goodness. Not that shows have to portray traditional morals to be compelling. They need to portray something that is not immediatelt accessible to us. But that goes directly against the market logic. The same logic that creates fetishized commodities that seemingly appear at our door. That turns the complexities of climate disaster, exploitation, global supply chains into little entertainment boxes that exist simply because we desire it to.

The gig economy, where employment is mercurial, "nomadic", precarious, is celebrated as freedom. The destruction of new possibility is celebrated as authenticity. Live your truth. I heard an ad for lawyers that offered to help on "your divorce journey".

And as this world offers us constant ennui and anomie by fuflilling desires it convinces us we have, it also implores us to act now! The environment is collapsing, recycle your cans for Christ sake! Buy products in brown packaging you fucking monster! So it feels almost irresponsible to dream, foolish to hope, impossible to imagine. The actual message of Marvel movies, novels that are part confessional diary, green marketing, is that "this is the only world. Even in space. Even with superheroes. Even in Middle Earth. The only arrangment. Even your wildest fantasy cannot escape this reality. There is no world outside of capitalism. All is exchange and consumption and endless banality", As Mark Fischer put it "It is easier to imagine the end if world than the end of capitalism".

So I, and Kornbluh, do actually agree the solution is a moral imperative. But not to engage with the machine in a moderate way. Trying to curate an eddy in a flood. But to make difficult art. Art that is mediated. Art that requires investment and separation and abstraction. Just now, when the world is on the brink of endless catastrophe, is it most appropriate to dream of different possibilities. To read Lord of the Rings and look at Aragorn not as sentimental and trite, but as aspirational.

Lastly, if you have interacted with teenagers there is a deep, bedrock cynicism that eclsipses irony and sarcasm. Those things imply a hope thst was betrayed. They largely have never hoped, have never stayed up breathelessly reading a challenging book, or listened to an album on repeat that fundamentally changes them, that they feel beyond their bones. Which is full tragedy. Adolescence should be when dreaming through new and exciting media elavates you, opens new horizons. There is overwhelmingly apathy, amusement, boredom. Little curiosity or imagination. Their entire worlds have been robbed of them. They can sense it. They don't tend to love or even like social media. But their horizons are closed. Nothing left even to dream of. They don't have the faculties to even sense what it is they are missing, they just know it is.

Very sorry for the length. I just really love the book, and thanks for the article. It was a good productive read.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Nice article, but god medium is getting annoying to use.

I'm tempted to make a custom frontent for it now.

[–] Ymer@feddit.dk 2 points 2 days ago

I find the current Lemmy perfect for general news and discussions, but I sure do miss some of the more niche hobby communities reddit had to offer.

[–] realconor@feddit.uk 10 points 3 days ago

i can see the same thing, things that have been published for hours see steady activity, even some which are lively for a good few days, it feels less like flitting between a bunch of new things which is useful

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago (6 children)

The solution on that on Reddit has been, retreat into more niche communities, remove default subs from your feed. Right now the way to make Lemmy usable is to browse All, because otherwise there isn't enough content, but I bet as it grows it will go the same way.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

I sub to smaller comms I don't see much on, and use all as a generic feed.

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 21 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I've noticed the same. I've also noticed it become slightly more combative and strawman-y with the influx of new folx, but maybe getting better again lately? Anyway, this is just going by anecdotal/vibes, and it's definitely better than mainstream/commercial socials.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

theres also the fact your comment rarely gets buried here.

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[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

I commented on a hexbear thread about defederating with feddit.uk (my instance) over transphobia. It's been a busy day.

If you want some replies just post against the hive mind. Lemmy is absolutely big enough for some hive activity. We did it!

[–] MusicSoulEdu@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I honestly think that there is more direct activity here. I asked the same question on reddit in 3 different places, but had more replies here than there.

[–] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Less bots. Reddit is all bots now

[–] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dead Reddit theory Explains the popular subs' comments

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago

Take my updoot, buckaroo! 🫵🤠👍

[–] pacology@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

It depends if you want to have a conversation with bots or other people

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

Well you do post a lot here, I mostly just comment but I do get a bit on my inbox

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, what the hell?

I was a prolific reddit commenter for over a decade and myailbox would be empty each day

I have 600+ comments waiting for me now iny Lemmy inbox. Something is different

[–] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

You were shadow banned most likely

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

601 now >:)

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Because if you didn't post to small subs or be one of the first 20 or so comments on a big sub post, you'd get buried.

[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wish I could check a box "No notifications" when posting

[–] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Piefed has an option to disable them

[–] dhhyfddehhfyy4673@fedia.io 15 points 3 days ago

Mbin does as well.

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[–] droning_in_my_ears@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (15 children)

The people who say there's no activity tend to be lurkers and they mean post activity not comments.

If you're on a big community that's usually not a problem but for the small ones it is. If you have a hobby, then chances are its biggest lemmy community still doesn't see enough new activity to feel alive.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

Apologies to those who have messaged me recently.

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