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I did not realize this was a thing until I just switched to AZERTY which... despite being marketed as being "similar" to QWERTY, is still tripping me up

Edit: since this came up twice: I'm switching since I'm relocating to the French-speaking part of the world & I just happened to want to learn the language/culture, so yeah

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[–] mac@lemm.ee 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This Heatmap is why I made the switch to colmak-dh.

[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 8 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I think this makes sense for people who type only in English. If you type in other languages, this becomes way less relevant.

Not to mention the limitations in hardware.

[–] Ziggurat@jlai.lu 3 points 5 days ago

French has the bépo layout which applies the Dvorak methodology to French

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

I type in other languages as well on Colemak dh, it's still way better

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 6 days ago

I type in English, Portuguese and Spanish (mainly in English because code, then Portuguese because I live in Brazil) and I use Dvorak. I don't use accents or other special characters, but because I'm a "gringo" I get a pass.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah no definitely. This is a heatmap generated off of English words.

However Germanic/latin languages may be similar

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think I will bind E to my spacebar.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

Lol yeah the spacebar is so much wasted real estate. Thats why ergo mech keyboards map it to a thumb cluster.

[–] BullishUtensil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Swedish. Of course, these all lack three letters. And I don't think this tool counts special characters?

[–] RichieRich@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

QWERTZ like any German. 🤷

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[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 days ago

I'm French but I'm a programmer. I fully switched to standard Colemak in 6 months. There was no difference between QWERTY and AZERTY to me and I had pain in my wrists. Colemak removed that pain in a few weeks and I still get to keep the standard shortcuts (Ctrl+C/V...) because some keys stay in the same place. It's annoying sometimes when you're learning but it's definitely worth it.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

QWERTZ with Slovene/Croatian letters

[–] Kennystillalive@feddit.org 6 points 6 days ago

I use QWERTZ the Swiss version. (It's not optimal as it has to accomodate 3 languages)

[–] nostradamnit@infosec.pub 9 points 6 days ago

Dvorak for more than 30 years, because at the time, it was the only reasonable alternative.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I use Colemak, but just learned about Colemak-DH in this thread, I might give that a try, as the hjkl keys seem to be better positioned and have been trying to get back to vim.

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Programmer dvorak

I also taught myself Colemak and Workman, but I prefer Dvorak

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

How difficult was it to learn and switch?

When I considered I ultimately didn't commit to practice - because it's so different and seemed like not worth the effort.

How do see the impact it has? It is considerably more comfortable or efficient?

[–] Photuris@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

Dvorak for over 25 years.

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Engram. It’s a great layout that focuses on pinky in rolls.

It’s a steep layout to learn even compared to thing like Colemak but I find it quite satisfying.

https://engram.dev/

[–] ECB@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago

It's technically a QWERTY-variant, but I use EurKey

[–] bipedalsheep@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I switched to Colemak-dh about 2 year ago when I bought a ZSA Moonlander after getting a terrible case of rsi in my left wrist. When I type on other keyboards (which I try to avoid whenever possible) I still use qwerty. Curious thing, I write at about 70 wpm with 99% accuracy with colemak-dh on my Moonlander but I can't pass 10 wps when using colemak-dh on other keyboards, and I have no hope in hell writing with qwerty on the Moonlander at all. The motor memory is completely decoupled between the split keyboard and the non-split keyboard. Which I guess is good, since then when using someone else's keyboard I won't have issues using their keyboard.

[–] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

What you just described is pretty much exactly my experience with colemak and split keebs too.

When i was learning colemak i decided to take the time to teach myself proper touch typing at the same time. Now i can only touch type colemak on a split ortho. I cant type qwerty at all on it.

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[–] pan0wski@infosec.pub 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] pan0wski@infosec.pub 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Croatian actually :D

i've used dvorak but I plan to switch to a charachorder

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Plover. I'm still not any good at it.

[–] cassowary@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

I know that feeling.

[–] lemonuri@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Qwertz.

I teu tried neo couple of years ago but did not use it long enough to get proficient.

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