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Summary

Former vice presidential nominee Tim Walz criticized Trump for economic chaos while taking personal responsibility for the situation during an MSNBC interview.

"We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd have won the election — and we didn't," Walz told Chris Hayes. He called Trump the "worst possible business executive" and praised the Wall Street Journal's editorial criticizing Trump's tariff war.

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump. Recently, he acknowledged a leadership void in the Democratic Party and admitted spending too much time combatting Trump's false claims about immigrants.

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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I hate seeing these Democrats question themselves and their honorable positions on important issues, just because they think they lost. We all know in our souls that HitlerPig, Skum, and the Russkies STOLE the election, but the Dems quickly rallied around the concept that they got beaten fair & square, because they didnt want to be seen as the same as the 2020 Republicans. So they threw us to the wolves, and have totally abdicated their oath to "protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic."

The Dems have to stop acting humiliated and embarassed, and get ANGRY at having our nation stolen and dismantled. HitlerPig was able to get his followers angry enough to attack the Capital, but Dems couldnt even be bothered get their followers to even question it.

The Republicans now have the Dems questioning their entire future direction. Should they move to be more progressive, and embrace Medicare 4 All, UBI, higher taxes on billionaires and corporations, harsh punishment for traitors, etc. Or should they claim the middle and try to draw reasonable Republicans to their side. Theyve tried the latter many times, and even if they win the election, being Republican Lite only makes it easier for people to shift a bit more right and vite MAGA.

Its true that people want a different sort of America, but only about a 3rd really want the MAGA direction. Most other citizens would prefer a direction that gives them more security in housing, jobs, food, and healthcare. Even Republicans would like it if the Conservative Propaganda Machine wasn't constantly telling them that implementing those programs would trum us into Venezuela. If the Dems really supported a true progressive platform, and sold it properly, the6 could win - in a FAIR election.

But we will NEVER have another fair election until the Democrats acknowledge that the Republicans have fully rigged the voting system, and do something to punish those who did it. If we dont, the 2026 election will see most Democrat congressional reps in Red states flip Republican, even in Blue districts, and in 2028, HitlerPig will win with 98% of the vote.

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[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee -5 points 1 day ago

I think this is a half assed acceptance of responsibility. Firstly i don't believe our democracy even functions anymore. Our entire political system has been compromised by money, bribes, campaign contributions from billionaires. Both the dems and republicans are both fascist parties. The Democratic party any where else in the world by the standards of the rest of the developed world is a center right wing party we have no true left opposition party in the usa. The democrats are clearly a controlled opposition party who's primary goal is to appease their wall street military and prison industry profiteer donors and prevent any policy shift to the left in order to thwart economic democracy and continue the class dictatorship that is modern neo liberal western “democracy” which is inherently undemocratic.

There are 14 defining traits of fascism and 13 of them are present in both partied albeit to differing degrees. But the one trait that both parties work to maintain s plausible deniability as to its existence is fraudulent elections. But to think that even though money has corrupted every other aspect of our political system that for some reason maybe the ideals of American exceptionalism and the integrity of democracy itself, that one aspect of fascism is a bridge tok far to cross and those with extreme wealth and greed who lack all humanity and show no self Restraint on any given day would at least control themselves there for the good of mankind? If you truly believe that i have a bridge to sell you.

In germany the highest constitutional court decided in the last 10-15 years or so(i don't remember when exactly) that electronic voting is unconstitutional because it is impossible to differentiate between fraudulent results and legitimate ones for anyone who isn't a cuber security or IT expert and its important that laymen(or lay people) can understand the results of an election and see the proof for themselves. And even if we put all this aside in 2016 we saw the Iowa caucus (a democratic process void of electronic obfuscation)deliberately manipulated for clinton despite sanders supporters outnumbering clinton supporters 2 to 1 and i remember seeing a video back then(i wish i had saved it) of election workers doing a test on a vote counting/tabulation machine to verify results and the machine completely skewed the inputed data which distressed all the workers participating to the point where 3 people were in tears.

This isnt a “trump was right” statement because those who are nominated by the party are most likely complicit and know who will be chosen and even if they do not know till the media puts out the results and manufactures the consent of the people they still very likely know the reality. And Trump definitely knew in 2016 and had no problem the election was rigged then because it benefited him which means he doesn’t care that the election is rigged so long as he benefits and gains power from it.

But regardless of what i believe it is the reality that every thing about our society is rigged by the ultra wealthy. And it is naive to believe that they would allow the workers the ability to choose who governs them when they regularly make it clear what they think of us. That we are a disposable commodity who’s existence is only a means for their own end. As a labor pool to exploit and wring dry for profit so they don't have to do any of the things they see as beneath them while they live in opulent luxury and spend more on weekend vacations than you or i could earn in a dozen consecutive lifetimes.

Now in the crazy off chance that our democracy actually does function (which is just impossible given the way the world is currently run by the .001%) then the democrats lost because they refuse to move to the left and they intentionally lost because their donors are the dame donors funding the republicans and democrats are under orders to sabotage any leftist populist candidates to maintain the class dictatorship that their billionaire owners have established and aim to maintain at all costs.

Now let the butthurt neo liberal downvotes ensue.

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