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PhysicsForums and the Dead Internet Theory [old specialized forums have started backdating millions of LLM-generated posts] (hallofdreams.org)
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[–] wjs018@piefed.social 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Official response from Greg Bernhardt

It's years since I last used PhysicsForums, but found it immensely useful in the old days while going through my undergrad physics degree (it was less useful for PhD courses). I am not morally opposed to providing AI attempts at an answer in threads where nobody else chimes in. However, using real accounts that belong to other users is wildly over the line. I was surprised to see this wasn't really called out in the official response thread by the existing users as that is the part of all this that is the most egregious to me.

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Oh God...

I remember first reading Dead Internet and 'wow this is some high grade vaguely antisemetic conspiricy bullshit here'

And now...

I live in an America where one of the major political parties has people doing the fucking nazi salute and corruption is talked about as if it were normal with dissenting voices dismissed as crankery.

At this point if the Ai thinks we should be exterminated? I've no counter-argument that is based outside of a desire to want to live....

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

At this point if the Ai thinks we should be exterminated? I’ve no counter-argument that is based outside of a desire to want to live…

People's right to self-determination over their lives maybe? This is no better than the fascists wanting to kill whatever their "undesirable" minoroty of the day is.

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks.

Just... in a very pessimistic frame of mind.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I have this post to offer: https://www.tumblr.com/avidcollectorofdust/776146560975339520

wolfsteax:

hopepunk-humanity:

“Humans are inherently selfish--" Then why do so many cultures value hospitality, to the point of dictating it in their religions? Why is it so common for hosts to offer their visitors their best food, and as much of it as they can? At some point, multiple cultures decided that they knew what it felt like to be alone and vulnerable, and promised each other to never let those who stay with them feel that way. That doesn't sound very "inherently selfish" to me.

"humans are the plague"

No. Humans are animals as much as the fish and the bear. We are pack animals who have survived by strong bonds and community.

Do not buy the lie that humans are inherently evil. Societies can trick you into believing this, but it's not the truth of humanity.

Humans crave being together, sharing together, and thriving together.

Capitalism just wants you to believe we're destined for selfishness.

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Smh. edited

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

You are awesome. Thanks

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wow this is some high grade vaguely antisemetic conspiricy bullshit here'

When ruling class doesn't like peasants talking about something they will label it as "conspiracy", "antisemetism", "promoting violence" etc

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I live with Qanon believers.

Do not go down that road with me. Mostly because the whole point of your argument feeds into hating a group that has been the scapegoat those in power have been blaming since roman times to avoid getting scrutinized.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 day ago

Mostly because the whole point of your argument feeds into hating a group

Which group is that?

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Anti sematic behaviour is unfortunately part of the internet and general historical data, which means it could very well be an undercurrent in training data. AIs then could exhibit subconscious biases, no matter how many times the creators tell them not to be racist.

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Nono, the theory most people hear is the one about AI taking over. I read the original post with the theory written there devolving into this big giant global conspiricy where (coded language for jewish shadow government) is profiting off of everyone because of the AI takeover.

The idea that human contnet is getting croweded out, that part i absolutely buy.

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

See I don't follow that one, because how are they actually making money in this theory?

In the real world the ai bullshit is just another grift that's a giant money pit. While I recognise people that follow these kinds of theories probably don't have critical thinking skills, I wish they would following thinking to it's conclusion. It's a stupid hope I know.

[–] singletona@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

That's where most of the secret new cabal theories fall apart.

[–] gnome@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

This is wild. Another problem with fudging what used to be a trail is what that means for fingerprinting people online. Especially given recent attempts to take down the Internet Archive. I'm not saying forum histories are/were iron-clad "paper"/e-trails, but they can and do get used for cross-platform profiling.