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Here's your weekly PCM on the latest Lemmyverse drama (lemmy.basedcount.com)
submitted 2 years ago by Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com to c/pcm@lemmy.basedcount.com
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Context

As you probably now, Hexbear is a fairly large leftist instance, whose users are notorious for being very loud in the communities of every instance they federate with. For a long time they blocked all instances, preferring to remain isolated. Recently, however, they have started allowing some large instances into their allow list.

Yesterday they expanded said list by including the popular sh.itjust.works (SJW) instance.

Some Hexbear users immediately jumped on the train by creating posts in !main@sh.itjust.works making sure everyone was aware of their presence and calling out what they thought was bigotry on SJW's side:

  • Example 1
  • Example 2, the post included in the meme, now removed

Currently, there's people on both sides calling for mutual defederation, as one Hexbear sees the other party as "bigoted" and "politically illiterate infants" while many people on SJW are just tired of the political spam.

Where do we stand in this mess? Comfortably on the sidelines, enjoying the popcorn while it lasts.

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[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 90 points 2 years ago (4 children)

As someone who leans left and generally supports socialism, Hexbear is hot fucking garbage. Lemmygrad is only slightly better.

They're slowly killing the fediverse as reasonable people see their authoritarian propaganda and leave.

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't think the problem with Hexbear is political. Some of their points are questionable, but that's of course up for debate.

What tends to annoy me about their users is how obnoxious they can be. Between the flooding of comments and replies, the weird emojis and the numerous attempts at provocating people from outside of their little cicle (which happens both in their domestic communities as well as the federated ones), it all makes you wonder if they even care about the health of the fediverse

[–] __yoshikage_kira@lemmy.basedcount.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah. They rather live in echo chamber than create a healthy community. Same thing happened on Reddit. The history repeats itself.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 points 1 year ago

The SJW admin thinks that their comment floods are a product of downvotes being disabled on their instance.

I'll enable downvoting on mine as long as it doesn't lead to the Reddit situation where users are penalized site-wide for getting too many downvotes.

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sure fucking tired of it, it's definitely making my experience here not as worthwhile

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can deal with it by blocking communities and instances. But it's not worth it to most people. I'll never recommend the fediverse to anyone in it's current extremist state.

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

My block list is getting ludicrously long though.. this can't be sustainable. I also want to recommend Lemmy to friends who are tired of reddit but yeah.. between the furries and kiddy shit and the overwhelming amount of edgelords spewing hate under the guise of being anti hate... yeah. Its not flying with normal folk. I'm not even sure I am staying let alone inviting others. I definitely don't want my friends and coworkers thinking I'm all about most of the content on Lemmy.

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Furries? Never had to deal with those thankfully. As for the kiddy shit that's a serious problem but I feel like it mostly concerns us admins, as with the current tools we have to react as soon as we get notice. As a user you hardly see it, from my experience.

But yeah, the platform as a whole tends to be pretty polarized and extremist, which might scare many people away.

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Most rational people I know won't go to a website if they think there's any chance of being exposed to that kind of content.

Thanks for your volunteer work though, I used to mod some decent size subreddits and I know that it's not a small amount of work to keep things clean.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Thanks for your good work making this happen. As discouraging as the extremist politics and propaganda is, I really hope community-owned social media is the future.

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[–] gk99@beehaw.org 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hexbear kinda just seem like trolls? Like no normal person seriously thinks making fun of a single dictator is equivalent to racism, it reads more like they're genocide apologists who don't want China's government questioned.

[–] natebluehooves@pawb.social 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This tracks with what I found when looking into defederation. Calling them leftists is kinda falling for their deception.

They are authoritarians and use the cloak of leftism to defend authoritarian governments. They do not argue honestly and they brigade, coordinating on hexbear in plain sight. I defederated my two instances a while back for these reasons.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being left and auth aren't mutually exclusive. Look at Stalin for example.

[–] natebluehooves@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

Fair! These folks do not actually believe in any of the leftist policies they claim to like, however.

If you claim the PRC is anything but an authoritarian capitalist hellscape, you have nothing of value to contribute. The world is filled with authoritarians who use the popularity of leftist policies to get into power, then put those people in camps.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 points 1 year ago

If they're going to do nothing but troll and be toxic, then unfortunately it's necessary. I also feel strongly that excessively defederating or banning visitors from the entire instance harms the fediverse. Instance bans and defederation should be used when instances have shown that they can't be relied on to communicate meaningfully outside their instance.

[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 1 points 1 year ago

That's what I was thinking, though you can't rely on assumptions like that. It feels like they're intentionally making stuff up for leverage.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

All hexbear people need to be banned.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Many of them strike me as CCP propaganda peddlers. These types should be banned. If there are others that legitimately have opinions, I'd say leave them and let them be corrected by the larger community.

That said... If they abuse accounts and voting to pump their opinions (it feels like this may be happening), then ban them.

Tl;dr: Ban all shilling, astroturfing, and organized propaganda peddling.

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That sounds a bit extreme.

[–] NightLily@lemmy.basedcount.com 16 points 2 years ago

If they are denying genocides that may in fact be something necessary for the health of the community via defederating them.

[–] RobotToaster@infosec.pub 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hexbear is where r/ChapoTrapHouse went after they got banned from reddit for being too cringe even for reddit.

[–] sheepishly@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How do I flair up on the Fediverse?

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Short answer: you don't.

Long answer: there's no flair system in the Threadiverse (Lemmy + Kbin). We are working on building one limited to our instance but that takes time. Even then, once it will be finished it will only cover our instance. Users from other instances or platforms (such as yourself) will need extensions and 3rd party tools to get access to them. I plan on building those as well, but it will be only after the flairs are fully functional for our local users who of course are our primary concern.

[–] sheepishly@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Ah. Thanks for the informative answer and all your hard work.

[–] Floey@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Based on what I've seen hexbears would not use slurs like bitch and retard.

[–] PickTheStick@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly, it's quite enjoyable to watch from the sidelines. The only thing that annoys me is you can hide that you're posting from an instance by editing your name (just like OP has done), and it seems every hexbear does it.

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LMAO "hide" is a pretty strong word. You know you can still figure it out just by hovering over their name, right? Or clicking on their profile, clicking the fediverse icon... plenty of ways to find out, it's just slightly less obvious.

There's no bad faith behind it. I do that just because I like it better, looks cleaner to me.

[–] PickTheStick@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's still hiding it, just like when a corporation changes their name, or is bought out by another but doesn't change their name. Yes, you can figure it out by going to a website somewhere, or reading a newspaper from a decade ago... plenty of ways to find out, it's just slightly less obvious.

I never said it was in bad faith.

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com 3 points 2 years ago

I never said it was in bad faith.

I assumed that was what you meant, my bad.

I remembered it showing up if you hovered but it doesn't, that's true. I guess I was looking at the link below instead.

[–] catfish@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

these fucken losers daydream about being relevant even in the most pathetic ways, lmao what utter muppets, noone gives a shit, just block their shitty instances.

[–] serial_crusher@lemmy.basedcount.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I guess hexbear was a better place to look for a legitimate successor to r/stupidpol

[–] Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. But then you would have had to interact with those kind of human beings. I say you made a decent deal, overall.